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Re: UniFi Express

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Wrong. I watched a video yesterday from a german medical cannabis business where I recognized unifi APs in the building. Their camera system was (as one would imagine) unifi too.

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Feel free to flog their network engineers. Most businesses (likely in the order of 99%) have precisely zero network engineers. So, it’ll be a pretty quick flogging.

Their products talk to those businesses.

Re: UniFi Express

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This product that has a huge caveat that limits it to many people's applications:

> UniFi Express supports up to 5 connected UniFi Network devices, including other UniFi Express units, switches, and WiFi access points.

Even my home has one AP per floor (3x) and 3x Unifi switches. This is clearly an artificial limitation for market segmentation reasons. I'm not going to rip out Unifi switches to go unmanaged, just for the pleasure of using Express. Hopefully nobody buys it without reading the small print.

I feel like the lack of Protect and the 5 UniFi device limit are going to really limit who will buy this even at this price.

Re: UniFi Express

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The cost of 2.5G chipsets is so low it really shouldn't matter especially for a 'premium' product like this.

Exactly my thought. Why not just spend the little extra and do 2.5G ports. There is one potential hurdle though: they specifically mention that it can handle 1G of traffic even if you enable a bunch of features. They would have had to upgrade the processors to be able to make the same claim at 2.5

That's with all the features on though right? I'm sure a lot of folks wouldn't be using VPN, deep packet inspection, ad blocking, a large number of routes and vlans, IDS, caching etc all at once, it hardly takes any CPU processing to simply route 2.5G (or hell, even 10G) through a firewall.

Re: UniFi Express

#84

Another confused product from UniFi. Is it targeting home users or businesses? It looks like businesses from their web page yet feels very much like a better fit for home. It only runs UniFi Network, so you have to buy more things, that also run UniFi Network, to get into any of their other products like Protect. I like their stuff but lately a lot of their stuff feels just confused to me, like they don't know what t…

Small offices less than 5 or 10 people, small mall sized retail shops or apartments.

Re: UniFi Express

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post #59

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There are still far more people below gigabit speeds than there are people hitting their gig. As more fiber is deployed that may change, but it's still a very functional device regardless.

With that logic why does it even have a gigabit uplink, after all three are still people out there that are not "hitting their 100Mbit/s" yet?

If we're being arbitrary who cares if it has fast Ethernet? 10 megabit is enough to stream Netflix.

Perhaps putting it another way will help -- according to the FCC's most recently release Internet reports[1], only 13% of subscribers have at least 940 mbps down. However, 57% are at least 100 mbps, but less than 940 mbps. There's a juicer market segment for gig and below than there is for above gig. Increasing the prices to attract 13% of the market isn't terribly worth it in this case.

1. https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-395960A1.pdf

Re: UniFi Express

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I bought into their unifi ecosystem years ago. Separate devices, prosumer pricing, features and quality, single pane of glass. ... And I haven't upgraded anything since. Their new products are totally undirected, they aren't making items that are obvious and needed. Their software is falling behind and they just don't care. Case in point: the usg pro 4 is years old but they havent released an updated affordable just-…

I don't disagree, but since buying the UDM-Pro years ago, I feel like the software has gotten great. And recently, they've baked in Wireguard replacing L2TP. Personally, I'd like to see more prosumer devices that support 2.5GbE/10GbE.

People always raise Wireguard as the end-all of VPN and yet its 2023 and there's virtually no way to deploy it in a business context.

InTune doesn't even list it as a supported VPN, and everything I see to deploy it suggests some kind of hack to bypass UAC for one specific app because the end-user software requires Admin permissions to startup and hook.

When we use L2TP with UDM Pro we get ~0.1Mbps across the wire from macOS and ~20Mbps across the wire with Windows, and yet the same VPN server running on a Mikrotik will easily achieve ~300Mbps. L2TP is so easy to deploy .. it's built into Windows and macOS. I wish they would just stop telling everyone to switch to WG and fix the performance issue that is clearly Unifi specific.

NB we are a business and our average spend for Unifi is $50K per year so we have a right to complain.

Re: UniFi Express

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I don't disagree, but since buying the UDM-Pro years ago, I feel like the software has gotten great. And recently, they've baked in Wireguard replacing L2TP. Personally, I'd like to see more prosumer devices that support 2.5GbE/10GbE.

People always raise Wireguard as the end-all of VPN and yet its 2023 and there's virtually no way to deploy it in a business context. InTune doesn't even list it as a supported VPN, and everything I see to deploy it suggests some kind of hack to bypass UAC for one specific app because the end-user software requires Admin permissions to startup and hook. When we use L2TP with UDM Pro we get ~0.1Mbps across the wire fr…

Isn't it normal that changing the destination of all of a system's network traffic would require admin permissions? Why does that make you think it's a hack?

Re: UniFi Express

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> What is UniFi Express? > UniFi Express is a complete UniFi Networking stack in an ultra-compact, plug-and-play form factor. It runs UniFi Network and features a powerful gateway engine and built-in WiFi 6 with seamless meshing.

Read this several times. Still don't know what I am looking at. What is "UniFi Networking stack", what is "UniFi Network"? Is it a WiFi router? I use a TP-Link router at home, and they don't sell it as "TP-Link Networking stack".

More complex networks (e.g. in commercial settings, or the homes of I.T. nerds) will often consist of a router plus one or more switches and/or wireless access points, probably spread out across a site with multiple ethernet drops. A typical router sold for home consumers (like yours I'm guessing) is a combination of all three of those in one convenient package, which is enough for most home use cases.

Companies like Ubiquiti (under the UniFi brand), Meraki, etc. make these products such that they can all work together as an ecosystem, e.g. so you can log into a single dashboard and manage the network as well as every individual device's configuration from one place. This is the difference between a so-called "managed" switch (or wireless access point) versus an ordinary dumb one. UniFi also makes PoE security cameras that are managed through their ecosystem in the same manner.

This sort of ecosystem is useful for people doing I.T. in commercial settings. You can use a single interface to manage a network in a huge office building with hundreds of devices, or to manage lots of smaller networks spread across different sites. This "UniFi Express" product seems more suitable for the latter, e.g. in cafes or small retail settings where you might just use it on its own or add a small number of additional switches/APs. It's similar to your home router+AP combo, but it also contains the management software I described before which is capable of adopting more UniFi devices and provides remote administration.

Edit: If you're curious, TP-Link's equivalent to UniFi is called Omada: https://www.tp-link.com/us/omada-sdn/

Re: UniFi Express

#90
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What would I get from this both hardware and software-wise that I don't get from ASUS routers?

OK, I've had several high-end ASUS routers and I know that your ASUS router is probably not stable and needs to be restarted all the time. At very least, Unifi is a huge step up from that and it will easily run at max performance for 3+ months at a time without a reboot.
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