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Re: Unciv

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Post by vintermann »

chongli wrote: post #38
jrm4 wrote: post #6

FWIW, and I'm sure a bunch of people would hate it, seems like a dash of AI art tools could go REAL far here.

I actually like the art a lot. I don’t have any interest in playing the new official Civ games. The fancy graphics don’t do anything at all for me. They consume system resources and just end up being a distraction and a source of slowdown. I’d much rather have a strategy game with a really nice, clean, polished UI and simple, legible graphics!

I think it's amazing how, despite not using AI for their art, so-called AAA games like Civilisation end up with that pasty cartoony look of a thousand cheap pay to win mobile games. I think the leader and advisor avatars in Civ 6 are ghastly.

Re: Unciv

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Post by crashmat »

sbierwagen wrote: post #72
huevosabio wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is, as is, they would be able to play, but not be very good. The main issue I see is the spatial component is hard to describe in text. The new vision models make it easier, but still I imagine it's not trivial to integrate all the mechanics plus the spatial component on the limited prompt space. I do think that 1) combining with the hand crafted AI and 2) having an "LLM advisors" system where for a given as…

>spatial component is hard to describe in text Idefics, mingpt4, Next-GPT and LLava are open source multimodal LLMs that can read images.

Yes, but do they get a vague idea of what's onscreen or could they really see what's going on in each tile, keep track of all the stats and use those to inform their decisions?

Re: Unciv

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Post by livrem »

chongli wrote: post #31
huevosabio wrote: post #22

I really want to power civ AIs with LLMs for immersion and better play. I looked at freeciv and the code was unwieldly. Maybe unciv is easier to tamper with!

That would be really interesting. Would the LLMs actually know how to play the game well though? It’s an extremely complicated game with tons of hidden information. It’s way more difficult than chess or poker or diplomacy for that matter!

They would not have to be able to play the game if the job of the LLM was mostly to handle some diplomacy and communicate with the player. The strategy and tactics could still be handled by good old game AI tricks and tree-searches. Sounds like it could be fun for single-player games in general.

Re: Unciv

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Post by benj111 »

subtra3t wrote: post #74
stavros wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://nobsgames.stavros.io/

I think this website misclassifies a few games. For example in Bastion (iOS) only the beginning can be paid for free. The rest of the game is unlocked via a one-time payment. However the website says that the one-time purchase removes ads/annoyances.

>paid for free

Is that a typo, or an apt description of a lot of 'free to play' games?

Re: Unciv

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Post by Delk »

800xl wrote: post #61
billfruit wrote: post #41

While it is an amazing project, I can't wonder about the appeal of civ games themselves. To me they are a mess, the mid to late game itself is chaotic chore of micromanaging large number of units.

I like the earlier Civ games, up to around version 4 for this reason. Less complexity and micromanagement.

To me, the earlier games come with less complexity but with more micromanagement. I played SMAC again some time ago, and it's fun early to mid game, but towards the late game the sheer number of cities and units is just overwhelming. I think Civ 2 was in many respects similar although it's been a long time since I played that.

The greater relative cost and lower number of both cities and units means that to me there seem to be a smaller number of things to micromanage in Civ 5. Units embarking themselves means you don't have to herd them into transports.

The lack of unit stacking and the inability to move any units together automatically (even the ones that do stack) does cause quite a bit of micromanagement, though, so that's true.

Re: Unciv

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Post by wazoox »

duozerk wrote: post #3

Along with shattered pixel dungeon, this is one of the only worthwile games on Android I've found. They don't call home, they don't push ads, they don't spy on you, they're just good games, well implemented and open source.

I highly recommend Yiotro games: https://yiotro.com/games/

They're open-source, simple, quick games.

Re: Unciv

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Post by subtra3t »

benj111 wrote: post #84
subtra3t wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this website misclassifies a few games. For example in Bastion (iOS) only the beginning can be paid for free. The rest of the game is unlocked via a one-time payment. However the website says that the one-time purchase removes ads/annoyances.

>paid for free Is that a typo, or an apt description of a lot of 'free to play' games?

typo lol, I meant to say played.

Re: Unciv

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Post by haunter »

duozerk wrote: post #3

Along with shattered pixel dungeon, this is one of the only worthwile games on Android I've found. They don't call home, they don't push ads, they don't spy on you, they're just good games, well implemented and open source.

Simon Tatham’s Puzzles

https://chris.boyle.name/projects/android-puzzles/

Re: Unciv

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Post by Delk »

genocidicbunny wrote: post #37
DavidSJ wrote: post #35

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How has the Civ gameplay changed since the 1990s?

Significantly. Hexes, districts, no unit stacking, resource stockpiles, religion, loyalty. Just some of the new concepts and mechanics in more recent civ games that 1, 2 or 3 didn't have.

Other areas that have changed significantly are e.g. trade, diplomacy and espionage.

Diplomacy in the newer games has a lot more freedom and variety in terms of the deals you can make, what you can trade for what with the AI, etc., but you can't directly exchange technologies any more. (At least not in Civ V.)

In Civ I and II, caravans and diplomats/spies used to be units you moved around the map manually. Then there's the whole city states thing since Civ V (I think), strategic resources that are required for particular units or buildings, significant changes in how happiness/approval is managed, as well as several victory types apart from conquest and space race.

In 90's Civ games (except for SMAC) all the civilizations were also essentially identical in terms of gameplay, except for AI leader parameters and diplomatic stances. Newer games in the series have more differences between civilizations in terms of strategy, at least in theory.

Basically, the core idea is still the same but the details and many individual mechanics have changed a lot.

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