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Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#81
The last time I used Ubuntu, I ended up installing either bitwarden or discord through snap. Some electron app anyway.

My system logs bloated into the gigabytes with constant errors about some snap or other having faulty security settings. Absolutely no user-facing indication of any type that there's an error, just endless log messages.

I use Arch now. It's still just as miserable, but at least my problems are my own fault this time.

Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#82

snaps is starting to give me a headache. I installed chromium in my ubuntu and it installed it as a snap (even through apt, it just a transitional package that installs the snap.), and for some reason it has a dependency with cups (printing software). Every time i delete cups it is reinstalled..again and again, i couldn't find any solution.

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Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#83

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>New Dells are using fixed storage Meh, that's just one model out of dozens form one of a dozen manufacturers. Hardly conclusive to validate the "a lot of laptops" claim. I'm sure someone else in the comments will point out some other obscure laptop from Acer or Lenovo that's thinner than a razor blade and has soldered storage. Fine, but still not "a lot of laptops". Just don't buy those 3 models in the world that so…

> nor would I know where to find one Surface Go is available in eMMC version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkT8JwgnAI https://www.amazon.com/s?k=laptop+emmc Basically anything under $700 has a chance to be an eMMC laptop. Most? Nope. Many? Yes, especially cheap and not so cheap ones.

>Surface Go is available in eMMC version.

Yes I'm sure all the three Surface Go owners in the world will be devastated.

>Basically anything under $700 has a chance to be an eMMC laptop.

You must be joking. Maybe like sub 300 USD. I have a 700 Euro Laptop and it came with a 1TB NVME and most cheap sub 500 Euros laptops I find are all still with SSDs not eMMC.

SSDs are now so cheap you'll find them everywhere instead of eMMCs. You really need to go out of your way and scrape the bottom of the barrel to find them today in new products.

Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#84
Snaps were one of the main reasons I moved from Mint to Ubuntu.

Traditional package management is a terrible fit for modern systems and apps.

If you have dozens of apps and they each have dozens of dynamically linked dependencies, you'll probably get an occasional compatibility issue.

At first I really liked Flatpak, but the ecosystem isn't there. Everything I use is in Snapcraft, with Flatpak I still would occasionally have to hand install something or add a custom deb repo.

My only real complaint is the proprietary backend. It doesn't directly affect me much, since it's not like I'd want to use an alternate store when the official one has everything, but it does get in the way of adoption without seeming to benefit canonical that much.

Companies are way too afraid of FOSS competitors, they forget how much users like convenience and standardization and sticking with stock settings.

Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>New Dells are using fixed storage Meh, that's just one model out of dozens form one of a dozen manufacturers. Hardly conclusive to validate the "a lot of laptops" claim. I'm sure someone else in the comments will point out some other obscure laptop from Acer or Lenovo that's thinner than a razor blade and has soldered storage. Fine, but still not "a lot of laptops". Just don't buy those 3 models in the world that so…

> nor would I know where to find one Surface Go is available in eMMC version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkT8JwgnAI https://www.amazon.com/s?k=laptop+emmc Basically anything under $700 has a chance to be an eMMC laptop. Most? Nope. Many? Yes, especially cheap and not so cheap ones.

eMMC is such a nasty invention! We could have just had microSD cards as core storage on all these tiny thin devices! They make cards with good wear leveling.

The tech is already there, no need for soldered on stuff.

Soldering is kind of a "Worst possible solution except all the other ones" kind of technology.

Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#86
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I won't use Snaps. Please stop trying to work around my chosen distro's package maintainers. If I want to use your program and there isn't a package for it, I'll build it from source myself.

Please stop trying to work around the application developers and relying on unaffiliated volunteers for keeping apps updated and secure.

Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#87

The thing I hate most about snaps is how they pollute the mount namespace with loop mounts. Install a few apps and 2/3rds of your `mount` output will be /dev/loopX devices. Especially annoying since I often do loop-mounts myself and picking them out from the flood of unrelated snaps is a pain. If they could somehow hide the mounts (in a different mount namespace maybe?) that would be cool. I mean still, I would prefe…

I just jumped the ship to Nix.

Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#88

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I recommend Pop!_OS (despite the stupid name). It is basically Ubuntu without the annoying bits.

Pop!_OS is good, but going from Ubuntu to Pop!_OS doesn't really help with the Snaps issue.

Are you sure about that? AFAIK both mint and pop completely purge the base distro of snaps

Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nor would I know where to find one Surface Go is available in eMMC version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkT8JwgnAI https://www.amazon.com/s?k=laptop+emmc Basically anything under $700 has a chance to be an eMMC laptop. Most? Nope. Many? Yes, especially cheap and not so cheap ones.

>Surface Go is available in eMMC version. Yes I'm sure all the three Surface Go owners in the world will be devastated. >Basically anything under $700 has a chance to be an eMMC laptop. You must be joking. Maybe like sub 300 USD. I have a 700 Euro Laptop and it came with a 1TB NVME and most cheap sub 500 Euros laptops I find are all still with SSDs not eMMC. SSDs are now so cheap you'll find them everywhere instead o…

> Yes I'm sure all the three Surface Go

Thankfully for Microsoft you and your hate are not the ones who buys Surface Go

> You must be joking. Maybe like sub 300 USD

Did you even bothered to check that Amazon link? With laptops at $500 clearly labeled having an eMMC storage? You must be joking.

> SSDs are now so cheap

And eMMC is cheaper. If it wasn't there would be no laptops with eMMC.

Re: Snaps. Why? Please Stop

#90

Ignoring Snaps - what are Flatpaks like today? Totally understand the value in a distribution model like Flatpaks and am willing to adopt them but I haven't had the smoothest experience with them in the past so I tend to avoid them right now. The last time I tried them was longer than 12 months ago - I installed Discord and it was missing some features at the time due to sandboxing (I don't remember exactly, it was e…

I used to have issues with Steam flatpak, but it's been 2-3 years now without any issues.

Discord also works, it doesn't support some features, but that has nothing to do with flatpak and everything to do with Discord on Linux in general.

I've got a dozen or so other flatpak apps that work flawlessly.

One major complaint though is it can keep old unused versions of runtimes around and you manually have to remove them, Nvidia and Mesa runtimes for some reason consistently have this issue. Even running `flatpak uninstall --unused` does not remove them.

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