i kind of wonder why there has never been an "hghub", given that i've always liked hg rather than git. but i guess it is the torvalds connection?
I want to say bitbucket started out as this, at least my first repos there were hg.
I kind of killed Mercurial at Mozilla
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#82Reading that article unlocked some traumatic memories of Bazaar/"bzr".
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
bitbucket is worse, reviewees can resolve reviewer's comments (github has this too turns out), after file changes, comments disappear
What's wrong with reviewees marking comments resolved? That allows anyone reading to see what issues are "open" or already addressed at a glance. Code review isn't adversarial, so it's not like the reviewee is closing comments to shove bad code through and they need approvals anyway.
My pet peeve with bitbucket was that when doing code review, you couldn't send all comments and overall review in a batch, every single comment was received in real time by the author. Sometimes I would be still reviewing code when the author pushed fixes to comments I've made before and that still might need other changes. After 15 years they improved that 2 weeks ago. I'm glad it's better, but I hate it with a burning passion.
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#84i kind of wonder why there has never been an "hghub", given that i've always liked hg rather than git. but i guess it is the torvalds connection?
Because you never wrote it. The curse of open source. By the time github came about, git already had a lot more mindshare than hg. While hg wasn't yet clearly an also ran, it was clearly the less popular solution, and many open source tools started supporting git but either not supporting hg, or if they did it was an afterthought and often the maintainers broke something hg without noticing and then releasing with br…
just to be clear, i have worked with both hg and git, and can get along with either, but i do prefer hg.
have also written several foss tools - for example csvfix.
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#86Interesting, given that Google and Facebook [2], at least, eventually moved to have their repositories offered via Mercurial interface, instead of git. I also would expect that Github eventually will also offer mercurial repos. p.s. And let's not talk about abomination that is GitLFS (starting from the fact that it requires separate subcommand). [2] https://engineering.fb.com/2014/01/07/core-infra/scaling-mer...
Prior to that, we used to use 'git5' which was kind of git bolted on in front of Piper, and it worked, but it was a little wonky with explicit import and export steps.
I tried to use fig a little before I left, and I can't say I was entirely blown away. I used to like Mercurial a decade and a half ago, and learned it before git... but it felt very foreign to me now.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
That change was so dumb. Mercurial support was the bit that put them as something different from github. Once they didn't have it anymore, why would anyone use them at all?
Isn't Bitbucket owned by Atlassian? Nobody uses any of their products by choice. They sold some enterprise contract to your boss's boss.
Probably the Atlassian product I hate the least.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
That change was so dumb. Mercurial support was the bit that put them as something different from github. Once they didn't have it anymore, why would anyone use them at all?
So since you are knowledgeable about the fact that this decision was "dumb", you must also know approximately what proportion of their users were dependent on hg for their workflow ? My priors would put it at less - likely far less - than 1%. But please share your knowledge.
I'm sure I'm not the only one. The compelling story about Bitbucket for me was Mercurial.
Plus Atlassian is kind of just an awful company.
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#89Interesting, given that Google and Facebook [2], at least, eventually moved to have their repositories offered via Mercurial interface, instead of git. I also would expect that Github eventually will also offer mercurial repos. p.s. And let's not talk about abomination that is GitLFS (starting from the fact that it requires separate subcommand). [2] https://engineering.fb.com/2014/01/07/core-infra/scaling-mer...
Google anointed Mercurial before Git. Google Code was Mercurial and Subversion only until near the end of its days.
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#90I liked the thorough article, but my goodness did they beat around the bush w/regard to their actual contribution to this process (per the title). I think the short version is: they made `git-cinnabar`, which is a git-to-hg translator, to help git users interact with the Mozilla repos. ---- One contribution I can make: > For reasons I don't know, Mozilla decided to use separate Mercurial repositories as "branches". O…
One of my favorite stories happened three or four jobs ago... at this job I kept a giant whiteboard that I had swiped from a conf room, behind my cubicle. And whenever anybody asked questions we put it up on the board. We were an SVN shop and someone had asked how Git worked and I was like "do you want me to explain Git, which is harder to understand, or Mercurial, which is basically the same but a little easier if you're coming from SVN?" and they said Mercurial. So that is how for a week or two a set of sketched diagrams sat around behind me describing Mercurial.
So while that was happening, I was in the middle of some big commit, this guy Cal comes over. Cal is, we'd classify him as nontechnical but he's essentially the Product Owner for the stuff I'm building, he's the one whose workflows the software needs to enable. And I motion to him that I need 5 minutes and finish my thought and save and commit and whatever else, take off my headphones and ask "what's up, Cal?"
He has been staring at the diagram for those minutes, bored, and this non-technical user says, "okay, so let me see if I got this straight, inside some folder there's another folder named dot-h-g that is a repo..." and goes on to explain everything about Mercurial from a simple diagram, except that he can't figure out what problem it solves. And so I tell him, "you know how on fileserv everybody has to back up every file by appending a timestamp? software developers use these commits instead, so that every commit tells you who changed it and they have to say why they changed it, and that's how you save it," and his eyes kind of go wide and he's like "why don't we have this?!" and I'm like "you could! let me show you TortoiseHg..." and he really liked it, and of course then couldn't convince anybody to actually use it. (There's a problem where you really need to lock, say, an XLSX file.)
Mercurial is always to my mind the version control system that a typical nontechnical office worker could appreciate just from looking at a whiteboard diagram.