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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

#83

The screw is tightening. Britains largest newspaper has just called out ai companies on their intellectual property and content theft. The game is over boys. The only question is how to make these types of companies pay for the crimes committed.

There is no crime. observing something is not a crime.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

#84
Edit: I called it

https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857

nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason.

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I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever.

Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago

https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907

The press release about candid talk with the board… It’s probably just cover up for some deep seated philosophical disagreement. They found a reason to fire him that not necessarily reflects why they are firing him. He and Ilya no longer saw eye to eye and it reached its fever pitch with gpt 4 turbo.

Ultimately, it’s been surmised that Sutskever had all the leverage because of his technical ability. Sam being the consummate businessperson, they probably got in some final disagreement and Sutskever reached his tipping point and decided to use said leverage.

I’ve been in tech too long and have seen this play out. Don’t piss off an irreplaceable engineer or they’ll fire you. not taking any sides here.

PS most engineers, like myself, are replaceable. Ilya is probably not.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

#85

Oh man. https://twitter.com/apples_jimmy/status/1725615804631392637?... Really wonder what this is all about. Edit: My bad for not expanding. Noone knows the identity of this "Jimmy Apples" but this is the latest in a series of correct leaks he's made for Open AI for months now. Suffice to say he's in the know somehow.

...that's a random post, Jimmy's not some OpenAI insider lmao. Hope he sees this

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

#86

Is there some weird chic thing where you intentionally don’t use capital letters? What is up with that behaviour? Is it some cute attempt at saying “an AI didn’t write this”?

Some people just don't like to press shift. I moaned at one of my friends about this, years ago, and I got a 1-word reply that really stuck in my mind:

> thomas.

And there is indeed no law against not pressing shift.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The board does and they are not supposed to have a financial stake in the non-profit. Usually they just vote their friends on. Welcome to the loony tunes that is nonprofit management. Clearly Microsoft staked its whole product roadmap on 4 random people with no financial skin in the game.

> Usually they just vote their friends on You actually think that for-profit corporate boards are significantly different, especially in the startup/early IPO phase?

Sure, the investors own the company and the board answers to them. Nonprofits are significantly disconnected from their own financial incentives. I have witnessed it at every nonprofit I have worked for.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Usually they just vote their friends on You actually think that for-profit corporate boards are significantly different, especially in the startup/early IPO phase?

But those are people who have some skin in the game right? And shareholders can change the board structure right?

I was at amzn when jeff formed the first board. No skin in the game, and no shareholders with any votes. I gather this is pretty typical.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

#89

Greg is the one who announced GPT-4. Sam enabled Greg and vice-versa. The next AI winter may have just begun...

If the AI ecosystem is so fragile that the ouster of two men from one start up is enough to destroy it then it wasn't ever a solid bet. I don't think this will mean much for the broad viability of these systems. Gpt is clearly valuable, but I guess we need to figure out if these systems can be run profitably. I'm not sure people have given much thought to how insanely expensive running massive gpu clusters is. It might just fundamentally not scale well.
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