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I would love to be able to get a FM 13, but the non-inverted-t layout of the arrow keys make it a non-starter. It was the one thing I loathed the most about the butterfly keyboards on those MacBook Pros that came with them, and I find it a baffling choice to make on purpose today considering it was a major complaint on those Macs. I cannot move my hand to those keys by feel alone if the side arrows are twice the heig…
I wonder if you'll have more ability to play around in that space with the 16, as its top case is more modular. Part of the problem with the Framework 13 input cover is that the cover including the key gaps is all one piece of aluminum, so things have to work within those sized holes, or else involve a completely different input cover.
(Edit: the 16 does I think have more theoretical room for alternate keyboard layouts, but of course that's assuming anyone makes them. More importantly, it just has the inverted T layout on the regular keyboard already.)
Oddly specific question, but can anybody confirm whether the AX210 (no vPro) wifi works with the AMD motherboards? I've seen some pretty bad reports about the realtek chip they're defaulting to on the AMD systems, and I already have the AX210, so if I could just keep using it, that would be ideal.
The ax210 does work in the ryzen motherboard but just ok. I had persistent errors relating to the card in dmesg and occasional disconnects. The wifi that ships with the ryzen framework is made by MediaTek, not Realtek, and it's been working smoothly since I installed it.
I think just in its own right there are some AX210 Linux driver issues, particularly with 6E connectivity; I don't have a 6E network so I haven't really noticed.
Until they get a nordic keyboard, I'm out.
It's been good for me; I think it'll be great soon. AMD support on Linux is the biggest issue. The upgrade experience from the Intel 12th gen to a Ryzen 5 took about a half-hour, doing only the mainboard and no display or hinge upgrades, and I was already familiar with the internals from assembling it as a DIY. It's not trivially easy, and there were a few frustrating moments that aren't unique to the Framework (ok,…
I think the bigger problem for the community is that the M3 absolutely spanks it in performance. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_7_7840u-... It's not just a matter of poor drivers and not being able to wake up from sleep. You typical Mac lasts for tens of hours on battery and runs faster than Intel/AMD's flagship laptop grade processors. This is a big deal and if the x64 hardware people don't up t…
That's an odd thing to say given given GNU/Linux runs on more architectures than any other OS. For example there is a Chromebook, which is (or is slated to become?) a skin over GNU/Linux. That includes using Wayland. If you want access to the full GNU/Linux stack, Chromebook's provide Crostini.
Your point about Apple pulling off a step change with the M series is correct of course, and Asahi Linux notwithstanding we don't have full access to it. But other hardware vendors see that as an opportunity - if they can produce an equivalent they can take advantage of the fact that Apple produces a premium product most of the world doesn't want to pay for. When they do, GNU/Linux users will be among the early adopters.
It's difficult to see how be GNU/Linux could get left behind. AMD/Intel on the other hand are likely shitting themselves. They've now had years to catch up, but has been very little sign of it. That mountain of technical debt created by the necessity of backward compatibility is proving very hard to move. The are starting to look like dinosaurs that are pretty safe in their niche, but the world has moved on and that niche is shrinking.
Oddly specific question, but can anybody confirm whether the AX210 (no vPro) wifi works with the AMD motherboards? I've seen some pretty bad reports about the realtek chip they're defaulting to on the AMD systems, and I already have the AX210, so if I could just keep using it, that would be ideal.
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I think the bigger problem for the community is that the M3 absolutely spanks it in performance. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_7_7840u-... It's not just a matter of poor drivers and not being able to wake up from sleep. You typical Mac lasts for tens of hours on battery and runs faster than Intel/AMD's flagship laptop grade processors. This is a big deal and if the x64 hardware people don't up t…
> the Linux on desktop community will be hurt as users would move to the Apple ecosystem, despite the non-free nature. That's an odd thing to say given given GNU/Linux runs on more architectures than any other OS. For example there is a Chromebook, which is (or is slated to become?) a skin over GNU/Linux. That includes using Wayland. If you want access to the full GNU/Linux stack, Chromebook's provide Crostini. Your…
So? Any other architecture that outperforms the M3 on both efficiency and power?
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Most of the improvement is in gaming and GPU-intensive work, which is why I upgraded. Baldur's Gate 3 via Steam/Proton at 1240p went from ~30 fps with settings cranked down on Intel to 40-60 at high/ultra. I didn't upgrade the battery and the battery life is similar (as in, not great; about 4-5 hours of coding while occasionally maxing all cores, 2 hours or less of sustained gaming), but it's also hard to judge becau…
Wow, that's fantastic. I have the 12th-gen board (bought it, along with the full Framework laptop, when they started offering it), and gaming perf is ok for what I play, but not great. There are a few other issues (like severe spurious thermal throttling) that make gaming even harder (not great to be playing a FPS and suddenly all 20 cores are locked to 400MHz and stay that way for 15 minutes for no reason). I get sh…
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Most of the improvement is in gaming and GPU-intensive work, which is why I upgraded. Baldur's Gate 3 via Steam/Proton at 1240p went from ~30 fps with settings cranked down on Intel to 40-60 at high/ultra. I didn't upgrade the battery and the battery life is similar (as in, not great; about 4-5 hours of coding while occasionally maxing all cores, 2 hours or less of sustained gaming), but it's also hard to judge becau…
What is the source of these sleep problems? I don't understand why they still haven't been fixed.
> When we go from S0i3 to S0ix, the EC will send some dummy key presses to the host so the keyboard will keep working. This may cause the host to wake up to screen on, and stay there.
Which is what spawned the udev workarounds of just disabling wake-on-keyboard altogether, which solves for both the lid and AC connection incorrectly waking from sleep.
Which is onerous because wake-on-keyboard is a pretty common thing to want enabled on a laptop! It's not the end of the world, just another "yeah, I'm using Linux" moment.
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Do the brightness keys on the keyboard work? What's the battery drain like when the laptop is asleep?
They work, but on gnome you might have to disable the `hid_sensor_hub` kernel module.