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Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Post by ummonk »

vkou wrote: post #75
MichaelZuo wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that unusual among all the countries of the world? Or is the US unusual for having a statute of limitations?

Most countries have statues of limitations for criminal offenses. It makes sense - imagine trying to defend yourself against an case where the police has been sitting on evidence for 50 years, and anyone you could call in your defense is long-dead.

It’s not clear to me why we should have a hard and fast statute of limitations for that reason instead of simply factoring it in when deciding whether the prosecution has proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Post by coolspot »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #58
walterbell wrote: post #11

Preservers of cultural memory should be rewarded. Canada spent years digitizing classic TV and published the shows on a Youtube channel, then suddenly deleted all the content without notice to archivers, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35716982 . In the absence of social contracts for preservation, we are left with defensive archiving.

There's a Quebec kid tv show "Une grenade avec ca" I really liked when I was a teenager and at some point one of the main actors got prosecuted for possession of child pornography, so they pulled out all the episodes he played in... which is basically every single episode I ever watched. I understand their decision to not air those, but it still feels like a part of my childhood got erased and I wish I could get a co…

https://archive.org/details/une-grenade-avec-ca-s-05-e-22-pa...

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Post by ummonk »

fingerlocks wrote: post #64
crooked-v wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sure, here's a quick example of an uncooperative victim and the state attempting (and in this case failing) to prosecute on robbery charges anyway: https://www.norwichbulletin.com/story/news/crime/2009/03/21/...

“charges and convictions” was not an inclusive-or statement

You claimed “In the United States you can’t be arrested and charged with theft without the owner claiming you actually stole something.”

Then you shifted the goalposts to “charges and convictions”.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Post by walterbell »

From Sept 2021 to Aug 2022, "old shows" were watched as much as Apple TV+, https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/fil...

> the Fishers scooped up rights to low-cost, syndicated staples like Forensic Files and Unsolved Mysteries and library titles with strong cult followings, from The Dick Van Dyke Show to The Greatest American Hero and 21 Jump Street.. FilmRise is now the largest independent provider of content to ad-supported streaming platforms.. in the U.S. top 10, with 21.68 billion cumulative minutes streamed .. just behind Apple TV+, with a cumulative 21.7 billion minutes streamed.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Post by [deleted] »

deely3 wrote: post #17
rbanffy wrote: post #3

The easiest solution would be to send them anonymously to a third party abroad, who'd then proceed to digitise the tapes, returning the originals to the collectors, and hand the resulting files to the BBC. Setting up a trustable network of anonymous relays crossing jurisdictions for physical goods is the hard part, and tends to attract the wrong kind of attention to the ones involved.

Surely this third party abroad will not alter stored footage with some hidden and pranky details..

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Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Post by least »

ummonk wrote: post #81
vkou wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most countries have statues of limitations for criminal offenses. It makes sense - imagine trying to defend yourself against an case where the police has been sitting on evidence for 50 years, and anyone you could call in your defense is long-dead.

It’s not clear to me why we should have a hard and fast statute of limitations for that reason instead of simply factoring it in when deciding whether the prosecution has proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

How much doubt must a juror sow into their mind in order for it to be a fair trial?

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Post by astrange »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #39
astrange wrote: post #29

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And so your solution is to scrap public healthcare and make the problem far, far worse. Fucking genius. If something isn't 100% literally perfect in all possible scenarios, we shouldn't do it at all. I suppose you're in favour of removing airbags from cars and putting lead back in paint, too?

No, public healthcare systems are good because they have monopsony power. (That is, they keep costs down by increasing the supply of doctors… or just paying them less.) They are just not so good that being sick doesn't make your life worse.

Also, they have the problem that if you elect people who want to ruin it they can ruin it. Don't want an anti-abortion government owning all the abortion clinics. Same problem with public housing - it's bad if you're a minority the government is racist against.

Most systems aren't designed like the NHS anymore than they're designed like the US though. Japan's is good for instance.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Post by fingerlocks »

ummonk wrote: post #84
fingerlocks wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“charges and convictions” was not an inclusive-or statement

You claimed “In the United States you can’t be arrested and charged with theft without the owner claiming you actually stole something.” Then you shifted the goalposts to “charges and convictions”.

Yes I did. Which I clarified because a pedantic ball flew over the first goal post.
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