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HN treats it like the last bastion of intellectual free speech.
And where exactly is free speech left? Every public platform I’ve used over the last 20 years that had freedom of speech was shut down. Currently if you want to discuss ideas or issues that are outside of the publicly approved consensus, the only choice left is private chats. Even there the options are continually shrinking.
Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
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Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
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> So in the best case scenario is jut another part of society that small companies are not allowed to participate if they are not rich enough. Small companies can participate, as long as their moderation resources are proportionate to their scale. Yes, if they aren't, you are going to have more liability problems, just like if you operate a theme park with inadequate maintenance staff to prevent the rides from flying…
That feels like a good analogy -- we do have different standards for small carnivals than we do for large amusement parks, and accidents do happen at both, but you'd never be allowed to operate a small carnival with dangerous rides and absolutely no maintenance by claiming it was too expensive.
A better analogy involves things that are generally intended for adult purposes, as the Internet is. You certainly can operate a business selling construction tools, and generally not be sued when someone lets their kid use one and the kid gets injured. Even if you have knowledge that some customers will buy tools for use by their under age kids, or that they will leave tools accessible to kids, while you're merely assuming that they're supplying appropriate supervision and control.
The fundamental problem with this liability argument that has been put forth is it's based on responsibility laundering. Kids can't judge or consent, yet the argument quietly asserts it's reasonable for their caretakers to be absent in supplying appropriate judgement and supervision as they're interacting with the larger world. The resulting conclusion is that it is everyone else's responsibility to only ever act in ways that will protect those unrestrained kids. The direct implication is that everything accessible on the Internet must be made safe for kids, which is directly opposed to having free and open communications for adults.
Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
And where exactly is free speech left? Every public platform I’ve used over the last 20 years that had freedom of speech was shut down. Currently if you want to discuss ideas or issues that are outside of the publicly approved consensus, the only choice left is private chats. Even there the options are continually shrinking.
Again I have to roll out the "what topics are you being denied discussion of" question. That usually clears up quite a bit.
Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
And where exactly is free speech left? Every public platform I’ve used over the last 20 years that had freedom of speech was shut down. Currently if you want to discuss ideas or issues that are outside of the publicly approved consensus, the only choice left is private chats. Even there the options are continually shrinking.
Just yesterday I was thinking of publishing a heavy moderated sit or subreddit named "nuance" . A platform for healthy dialogue of subjects that normally cannot be discussed . With a minimum of say 100 words per reply, and a weekly vote of the subject of discussion for next week. I dream of being able to healthy discuss stuff like "illegal crossing/immigration of mexicans" or "US gun control/freedom" , or even more t…
Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
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Freedom of speech implies the freedom to choose what speech one associates with and allows. It doesn't mean a platform is forced to allow all possible speech without moderation - that isn't freedom, it's coercion. And it wouldn't even be legal on whatever "public platforms" you're talking about. If you're looking for absolute, unfettered fuck-the-law freedom you're not going to find it on the open web. No administrat…
If that’s the case, then why did these platforms exist in the past and don’t exist now? I’m not just talking about virtual platforms, but also physical public forums and meetups. I agree with what you’re saying about admins, but the “who” that is shooting the bullet seems to be a growing bipartisan antiliberal movement. It’s not just my personal experience; globally there’s been a decrease in freedom of speech metric…
Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
#86Please punch a hole on your “once again, a lack of parenting being solved by something other than better parenting” card.
I don't know how you understand "parenting" but it's not supposed to involve 24/7 second by second monitoring of a teenager's life. It's complicated. I don't blame Omegle, but sometimes there's no one to blame, except the perpetrators. Now, thanks to AI, we could recreate Omegle and make it safer, like detect children using it, and detect abusers. Of course this may trigger an arm's race of filters. But I think we ha…
Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
And where exactly is free speech left? Every public platform I’ve used over the last 20 years that had freedom of speech was shut down. Currently if you want to discuss ideas or issues that are outside of the publicly approved consensus, the only choice left is private chats. Even there the options are continually shrinking.
Again I have to roll out the "what topics are you being denied discussion of" question. That usually clears up quite a bit.
Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
#88Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
If that’s the case, then why did these platforms exist in the past and don’t exist now? I’m not just talking about virtual platforms, but also physical public forums and meetups. I agree with what you’re saying about admins, but the “who” that is shooting the bullet seems to be a growing bipartisan antiliberal movement. It’s not just my personal experience; globally there’s been a decrease in freedom of speech metric…
You're going to have to get into specifics, I doubt "a growing bipartisan antiliberal movement" is responsible for the categorical removal of free platforms from the internet. This seems like a framing designed to avoid necessary context or mischaracterize motives. If you mean, for instance, Kiwifarms - their ISP and Cloudflare refused to do business with them for reasons other than being "antiliberal." You can't bla…
Re: Omegle Was Forced to Shut Down by a Lawsuit from a Sexual Abuse Survivor
#90Please punch a hole on your “once again, a lack of parenting being solved by something other than better parenting” card.
I don't know how you understand "parenting" but it's not supposed to involve 24/7 second by second monitoring of a teenager's life. It's complicated. I don't blame Omegle, but sometimes there's no one to blame, except the perpetrators. Now, thanks to AI, we could recreate Omegle and make it safer, like detect children using it, and detect abusers. Of course this may trigger an arm's race of filters. But I think we ha…