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NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

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Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

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Which is crazy, because they live in the city with probably the best public transport in their country.

I live in Europe and public transportation is full of scum, I don't even want to imagine how it is in new york city.

Yes, Europe is single country and same standards apply everywhere.

Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

#82

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when walking through some neighborhoods (parts of park slope) i saw almost exclusively trash cans at every residence. At any rate, to say its impossible to implement trash cans just sounds nuts. I'm sure it truly is complicated, but not viable? I don't think so.

You walked through the most expensive neighborhood in all of Brooklyn, home to multi-million dollar brownstones and full floor condos. Try poking at some denser neighborhoods, the problems will become more evident.

even if we're talking densely populated areas, aren't cans just going to be better no matter what? The alternative is literally throwing plastic bags of trash into the street. I adore NYC and I look for every excuse I can to go. I understand that it has very unique issues that few, if any, cities on earth have to contend with. This one just seems pretty addressable. I need a youtube series or podcast about how it got to this point, whats been tried, and why it failed so I can fully comprehend it.

Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

#83
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This assumes the only way to provide waste management is to replace parking with dumpsters.

No, it questions the trade-offs we're making. The resistance to do anything but prioritize the convenience of a minority of drivers in cities like NYC while we look for "better" solutions (aka a solution that doesn't sacrifice their convenience) has already made a decision on the trade-offs.

A solution that meets the needs of multiple parties would be "better". When changing the status quo, it's "better" to find a solution that provides the intended benefit with the least negative impact on other groups.

If you actually want to provide the best benefit, we should start at the source and be looking at waste reduction. Instead of taking up 10% of the parking, it could be more feasible to take up 2.5% with smaller or less frequent dumpsters. You'd need less landfill space. You would hopefully have cheaper products through less material and less packaging. There's a lot of empty commercial real estate that could be repurposed, maybe for parking or residences with more modern waste management. There's likely other technologies that could be used for waste pickup at large buildings, like containers in the basement rolling out subsurface into the street and bottom loading into a truck via elevator. Or just more frequent pickup.

We could blame everything on cars. I feel that there are plenty of issues that are due to the old infrastructure that never envisioned all these uses or politics though. It seems other cities have figured this out just fine and kept their cars. Seems odd that NYC can't figure it out.

Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

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This assumes the only way to provide waste management is to replace parking with dumpsters.

it's that or the sidewalks, there's not enough space

Seems odd though that other cities can largely figure this out. Seems like a zoning failure, but nobody is talking about that. Maybe there is bias here since the zoning threads are always about increasing density, which this problem seems to largely be based (and coupled with old infrastructure and politics/cost/union).

Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

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it's that or the sidewalks, there's not enough space

Seems odd though that other cities can largely figure this out. Seems like a zoning failure, but nobody is talking about that. Maybe there is bias here since the zoning threads are always about increasing density, which this problem seems to largely be based (and coupled with old infrastructure and politics/cost/union).

I mean sure, but you're not going to be able to undo the past 100 years of development in NYC that caused it... so what's there to talk about? if they rezone NYC to require space for trash barrels and dumpsters it could be 200 years before half of the city redevelops to incorporate it.

NYC is one of the few places that has density in the US, and largely because it's old density. I feel like you're trying to paint this with a "see density bad" argument that is a lot more nuanced than you're making it.

Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

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post #84

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Seems odd though that other cities can largely figure this out. Seems like a zoning failure, but nobody is talking about that. Maybe there is bias here since the zoning threads are always about increasing density, which this problem seems to largely be based (and coupled with old infrastructure and politics/cost/union).

I mean sure, but you're not going to be able to undo the past 100 years of development in NYC that caused it... so what's there to talk about? if they rezone NYC to require space for trash barrels and dumpsters it could be 200 years before half of the city redevelops to incorporate it. NYC is one of the few places that has density in the US, and largely because it's old density. I feel like you're trying to paint thi…

Density without modern updates or planning for the future is basically the root cause of this and other issues there. This is important to note even for proponents of increasing density. Even if it's old density, updates for things like rentals can be enforced. Modern approaches are how international cities deal with their trash at similar densities (compactor, below grade, tubes, etc). Politics are a major hinderrance. Is it really a surprise that NYC has a waste problem when the waste management budget has been repeated cut in the past few decades? Now they want to take the cheap and non-scalable bandaid option of dumpsters on streets, instead of a modern and forward looking approach, while blaming people with vehicles (for which the city has failed them in modern approaches or quality alternatives). Classic blame the other subgroup instead of the leadership. But yes, there is a lot of details, subtleties, and caveats involved in all of these.

Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

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Fuck cars. Everyone street parking in NYC is a "rat breeder", simple as. It's on their hands.

Good for you if you never need a car, but other people need cars for work and family needs. What do you propose that they do?

You don't need a car to have a family in NYC. You might in every other city in America but you do not here.

Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

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Good for you if you never need a car, but other people need cars for work and family needs. What do you propose that they do?

You don't need a car to have a family in NYC. You might in every other city in America but you do not here.

How do you know everybody's needs?

Some people do need a car for work, healthcare, education, living with disabilities, or many other reasons not mentioned.

Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

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I live in Europe and public transportation is full of scum, I don't even want to imagine how it is in new york city.

Yes, Europe is single country and same standards apply everywhere.

Europe, at least the EU, isn't that far off being a country, honestly. Meets most of the criteria.

Re: NYC's new rat-killing weapon is wildly successful – for now

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You don't need a car to have a family in NYC. You might in every other city in America but you do not here.

How do you know everybody's needs? Some people do need a car for work, healthcare, education, living with disabilities, or many other reasons not mentioned.

How do you? Why the assumption that public transit cannot fulfill the needs of the vast majority of people?

Perhaps there is some tiny fraction that needs a care. Well, there would be enough on-street parking left for them.

What is far more common is the a bunch of people that don't need cars hide behind the mythical empathetic car-dependent person.

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