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Jack Tramiel, founder of Commodore, dies at age 83

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Re: Jack Tramiel, founder of Commodore, dies at age 83

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside of the UK and Ireland I think the Spectrum gets most love for being to a large extent responsible for the hard push Commodore made for low price. Tramiel wanted a ZX-81 killer early on, so we got the VIC 20, etc... Sinclair Research were really impressive in managing to get something out that cheaply, and outside of the UK I don't think they get enough credit for the impact they had on the computing industry…

The first PET was much earlier than the ZX-80 and 81. And a bad keyboard was the only way a ZX-80 could be affordable.

I know, which is why I mentioned Spectrum as the mistake, not ZX-80 and ZX-81.

The bad keyboards did undoubtably impact sales of the ZX-80 and ZX-81 too, as it was facing competition from "cheap enough" machines with proper keyboards pretty quickly, but it's hard to say it was a mistake to build them that way when they were released.

The Spectrum is a different story, which is why I called it out as a mistake. Sinclair continued their tradition of crappy keyboards with that as well, and by then that was a deal-breaker for a large part of the market. Their machines were - together with the Oric 1 - often derisively referred to as "doorstops" even in the press, even though the Oric had a slightly better keyboard.

By the time the Spectrum+ came out, they (and Oric...) had fixed that mistake and it was clear what a difference it could be: The new model outsold the old 48K model (which was identical apart from the case) 2:1.

But the Spectrum+ had atrocious failure rates (the Spectrum had failure rates of 5%-6% - there are reports of failure rates of 30% for the Spectrum+). As a result I don't think I even ever saw one of them. Many dealers internationally never carried them.

When the Spectrum 128 came out, it was too late. I remember my friends and I were impressed with it - it was great "for a Spectrum", but by then "everyone" had already picked camps, and Spectrum was largely dead in the water outside of the UK and Ireland. Not even the subsequent +2 and +3 after Amstrad acquired the Spectrum could make up for that - by then the C64 was too cemented as the dominant 8-bit machine pretty much everywhere but the US and UK, only the UK of which the Spectrum had an established presence of note.

Commodore on their hand made their second attempt at a crappy keyboard with the Commodore MAX Machine (Ultimax/VC-10) in 1982, as a cost cutting measure.

That's what I was referring to by repeating mistakes - the MAX Machine was quickly cancelled after poor sales.

Commodore knew better, but tried again anyway, but because they always had a ton of different projects and different models, and different models were released in different markets, they saw the failure in Japan, and never invested much in getting it sold elsewhere, and cancelled it quickly to focus on the C-64. So unlike Sinclair, a failing model (or three) didn't affect them all that much - they had other models that sold well in most markets.

There's a long range of variations of the C16/C264/Plus4 range, for example, that were pretty much ignored by many Commodore subsidiaries, because they saw them underperform in other markets and didn't really want them.

Sinclair on the other hand didn't have better alternatives until it was too late to get a bigger international foothold.

Re: Jack Tramiel, founder of Commodore, dies at age 83

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My very first computer was a Commodore 64. My grandfather, the day before he died, said to me that I needed to get into computers as they are the future. He gave me some money that day and that evening he passed away peacefully in his sleep. I bought a C64 with this money and I still have it now.

My first computer was a C64 also. It cost A$699, plus $99 for the tape drive. In 1982 money. My father's salary was about $40,000 per year then. Can't think of money better spent.

We had to go on a waiting list in Norway to get ours because Commodore had a hard time ramping up to meet demand and so availability depended a lot on market. Probably went on the waiting list end of 1982, and got it spring of '83. Until then we'd been borrowing a VIC-20 for some time.

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I wasn't a Commodore user, but as I was heavily into home / hobbyist computing at that time, they had a huge influence on me. At the time, we mostly used TRS-80s and the like, but my school had C64s and I vaguely remember trying to make sure that BASIC code from a book for C64 users would work for me. And only today did I find out that Tramiel was a Holocaust survivor who became one of the most influential figures in…

An anecdote from Michael Tomczyk (who Tramiel gave overall responsibility for the VIC-20 launch) that seems quite fitting:

'I once asked Jack how he coped with his Holocaust memories. Without missing a beat replied, "I live in the future."'

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Because of Commodore 64, I got into programming. RIP Mr Tramiel and thank you. POKE 53280, 0

POKE brings back so many memories!!

I wonder if growing up with a computer where you can poke bytes directly to its memory and video hardware makes you fundamentally less afraid or mystifyed by the technology

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I found a "lost" article I wrote about Jack from 2007. He was an Auschvitz survivor, almost died in a plane accident, and was an unsung visionary that, perhaps, was the first to truly commoditize compute power. http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/post/2012/04/09/Jack-Tramiel-Com...

I didn't know Jack survived Auschwitz. It makes me even sadder. Being able to create those machines after such a life commands respect.

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It's interesting that Amiga isn't being talked about more in this thread. Also by Commodore, though a bit later than the C64. The Amiga was a powerful little machine for it's time, especially for games and "multi-media" as the state of the art existed then. And it had personality. Personality goes a long way.

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The Commodore 64 is what inspired my career in tech. Many firsts including machine language, pascal and game/utility programming. The first software I ever created and sold was Disk Ease, which brought low level control of the 1541 to the normal person. Sold it through ads in the back of Computer Shopper magazine; I was 14. Let me tell you, there is nothing more inspirational than people sending money to your post of…

I'd like to hear more about this story. I know personally at 14 while I was doing programming, it would have been super scary to call a magazine to place an ad or have the money for such an ad. How did you end up doing that?
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