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Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

next_xibalba wrote: post #14
drannex wrote: post #6

I don't trust a single thing he says at this point without evidence, I just can't possibly see it as breakeven without it, which we likely won't receive as they are a private corp.

Why does it matter to you? I am fascinated by people who have such strong opinions about Musk, particularly on the negative side. The vast majority have never met him and, if they were honest, have probably been positively impacted by him (or not at all). Personally, I hope it’s true. Starlink is good for the world.

> Starlink is good for the world.

It wasn't good for Ukraine when Musk pulled the plug on them.

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by chazhaz »

s1gnp0st wrote: post #67
webkike wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t met him, but he has bought out my favorite social media website solely so he can insert his insipid opinions and comments, so I think the negative reactions are warranted. Why do people always talk about needing to meet a guy to have an opinion on them? I haven’t met Dick Cheney either

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I suspect that the parent poster is morally opposed to them as well, even if they don’t regularly make baseless claims on platforms they bought to make baseless claims on

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by adventured »

next_xibalba wrote: post #14
drannex wrote: post #6

I don't trust a single thing he says at this point without evidence, I just can't possibly see it as breakeven without it, which we likely won't receive as they are a private corp.

Why does it matter to you? I am fascinated by people who have such strong opinions about Musk, particularly on the negative side. The vast majority have never met him and, if they were honest, have probably been positively impacted by him (or not at all). Personally, I hope it’s true. Starlink is good for the world.

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Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by The_Colonel »

nimbius wrote: post #50
next_xibalba wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it matter to you? I am fascinated by people who have such strong opinions about Musk, particularly on the negative side. The vast majority have never met him and, if they were honest, have probably been positively impacted by him (or not at all). Personally, I hope it’s true. Starlink is good for the world.

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> Starlink was intentionally curtailed during the Ukraine war in order to provide tactical advantage to Russian forces. not sure how Musk avoided an 'aiding the enemy' charge on that one but it doesnt exactly glow with 'good thing' energy.

I'm no fan of Musk and care deeply about Ukraine, but this is twisting facts a lot.

Musk provided Starlink to Ukraine at a time when the West still thought it's going to fall very quickly and was hesitant to supply meaningful weapons. Providing Starlink to Ukraine was a risky move, making his company a valid military target, while not getting a lot of benefit out of it at that time.

I've listened to several military analysts (e.g. Michael Kofman) who said that Starlink is critically important for Ukraine, going as far as claiming it is the most impactful "weapon" the West provided (forget HIMARS, Javelin ...).

While the Starlink situation in Kherson was quite shady (unlike the Crimea situation which there's no case against Musk), it's absurd to say Musk is "aiding the enemy" while simultaneously providing the critically important service to Ukraine (which, as a private company, Starlink has no obligation to).

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by muglug »

next_xibalba wrote: post #78
webkike wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t met him, but he has bought out my favorite social media website solely so he can insert his insipid opinions and comments, so I think the negative reactions are warranted. Why do people always talk about needing to meet a guy to have an opinion on them? I haven’t met Dick Cheney either

> he has bought out my favorite social media websites solely so he can insert his insipid opinions and comments Can you share a link that documents him saying this? Every statement I've heard is something to the effect of "to preserve a space for free speech." If you can't produce evidence, you're assuming intent. That's your bias, and it isn't rooted in reality. > Why do people always talk about needing to meet a gu…

> Can you share a link that documents him saying this?

His actions speak louder than words: https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23600358/elon-musk-tweets...

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by inemesitaffia »

nimbius wrote: post #50
next_xibalba wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it matter to you? I am fascinated by people who have such strong opinions about Musk, particularly on the negative side. The vast majority have never met him and, if they were honest, have probably been positively impacted by him (or not at all). Personally, I hope it’s true. Starlink is good for the world.

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We also remember the Germans refusing to supply weapons. Same with Switzerland. And even the US(weapons capable of hitting Crimea are likely still being discussed)

The charge is avoided because individuals aren't meant to intervene in such a manner. Leave it to the State Department and Pentagon

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by good8675309 »

rayiner wrote: post #60
drannex wrote: post #6

I don't trust a single thing he says at this point without evidence, I just can't possibly see it as breakeven without it, which we likely won't receive as they are a private corp.

I’m not a huge Musk fan, but his shortcoming seems to be more having unreasonable projections about the future. I’m not aware of him lying about things in the present.

> "unreasonable projections about the future"

I've heard a few of them, like concerns about AI which I don't think are unreasonable but I'm curious about what other projections he's had that are unreasonable?

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by fortyseven »

rburhum wrote: post #28
drannex wrote: post #6

I don't trust a single thing he says at this point without evidence, I just can't possibly see it as breakeven without it, which we likely won't receive as they are a private corp.

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Mister, you sure enjoy the number 0.

Re: Starlink has achieved breakeven cash flow

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Post by adventured »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #81
next_xibalba wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it matter to you? I am fascinated by people who have such strong opinions about Musk, particularly on the negative side. The vast majority have never met him and, if they were honest, have probably been positively impacted by him (or not at all). Personally, I hope it’s true. Starlink is good for the world.

> Starlink is good for the world. It wasn't good for Ukraine when Musk pulled the plug on them.

Which is overshadowed drastically - 1,000 to 1 at least - by the good Starlink has done for Ukraine. That's about the weakest straw argument I've seen against Starlink.

Musk's SpaceX is the only reason Ukraine has been able to maintain its Internet infrastructure throughout the war. It would have been a communications disaster otherwise, particularly for all non-military (NATO would have done its best to provide patch-work communications for the military).

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