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Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Are you referring to the original fairy tales that Disney content is based on? Even there, no example comes to mind. Which stories are you referencing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Beauty > [...] the sleeping beauty, Talia, falls into a deep sleep after getting a splinter of flax in her finger. She is discovered in her castle by a wandering king, who "carrie[s] her to a bed, where he gather[s] the first fruits of love." He abandons her there after the assault and she later gives birth to twins while still unconscious.

That seems to only be in Giambattista Basile's version, not in Grimms'.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Cinderella is the lass who loses her shoe, not one of the ones who fall asleep, those are Sleeping Beauty and Snow White. While the Snow White situation is especially bad (first time we see the guy is when he drops by to plant one on a presumed-dead minor), the Sleeping Beauty story is a bit more nuanced: he was there as a child when the curse was laid on the princess so he knows what's going on and they have at leas…

> first time we see the guy is when he drops by to plant one on a presumed-dead minor

Disney or the Grimm Brothers version? The original tale has Snow White (presumed dead) in a glass casket, the prince is taking her back to her father for a proper funeral, and she wakes up when the poisoned apple gets dislodged during the movement from the horses.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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"Lemmings do not commit mass suicide. It's a myth, but it's remarkable how many people believe it." The sensational Amiga puzzle video game called "Lemmings" helped perpetuate the idea, too. :)

I’m convinced that some of the levels were deliberately unsolvable… get from one side of the screen to the other over a big chasm but you’ve got one exploding guy and one brick laying guy. Maybe if I tried to play it again I’d realise that it was my limited 10 year old mind after all!

Never seen the game, but I love the terminology.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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This reminds me when I found out the truth of a childhood movie of mine : Milo and Otis

Could you elaborate on that? From a superficial read on Wikipedia it appears the alleged abuses were denied by Japanese Humane Societies.

>The Adventures of Milo and Otis ... is a 1986 Japanese[2] adventure comedy-drama film about two animals, Milo (an orange tabby cat) and Otis (a pug).

>When the film was released, some animal welfare organizations alleged to have had a number of complaints from people who had seen the film and were concerned that it could not have been made without cruelty.[19] The Tasmanian and Victorian branches of the RSPCA also alleged abuse.[20]

>The film was reported to have the approval of the American Humane Society.[19] The American Humane Association attempted to investigate cruelty rumors through "contacts in Europe who normally have information on movies throughout the world." While noting that the contacts had also heard the allegations, they were unable to verify them. The organization also reported, "We have tried through humane people in Japan, and through another Japanese producer to determine if these rumors are true, but everything has led to a dead end." The same report noted that several Japanese Humane Societies allowed their names to be used in connection with the film and that the film "shows no animals being injured or harmed."[4]

[Source: Wikipedia]

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the original fairy tales that Disney content is based on? Even there, no example comes to mind. Which stories are you referencing?

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Oh come on, can we stop wasting time on these meaningless, overly politically correct discussion on fairy tales or derivations of fairy tales that are decades to centuries old. They are the products of their time and have their limits, but that doesn't make them bad stories -- if anything, the stories are more inspiring and comforting than disturbing.

By that logic Mario games should be banned because it reinforces gender stereotypes, right? Opera houses should just shut down because most of their repertoire is based on silly stories of men pursuing women, often misogynist?

Can't we have nice things?

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m convinced that some of the levels were deliberately unsolvable… get from one side of the screen to the other over a big chasm but you’ve got one exploding guy and one brick laying guy. Maybe if I tried to play it again I’d realise that it was my limited 10 year old mind after all!

Never seen the game, but I love the terminology.

The terminology is that the brick laying guy is a "builder" and the exploding guy is not actually a job - you're just killing him. (Then "exploder" is a job in Lemmings 2.)

You can see the manual here: http://www.abandonia.com/files/extras/28074_Manual.pdf (jobs are on page 17)

In Lemmings 2 it was an important mechanic that blockers would stop blocking if you removed the ground underneath them, since by doing that you'd get credit for saving them instead of killing them. It tended to defeat the concept of the blocker, but I suspect the same was true in the original.

Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Beauty > [...] the sleeping beauty, Talia, falls into a deep sleep after getting a splinter of flax in her finger. She is discovered in her castle by a wandering king, who "carrie[s] her to a bed, where he gather[s] the first fruits of love." He abandons her there after the assault and she later gives birth to twins while still unconscious.

That seems to only be in Giambattista Basile's version, not in Grimms'.

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Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_Beauty > [...] the sleeping beauty, Talia, falls into a deep sleep after getting a splinter of flax in her finger. She is discovered in her castle by a wandering king, who "carrie[s] her to a bed, where he gather[s] the first fruits of love." He abandons her there after the assault and she later gives birth to twins while still unconscious.

That seems to only be in Giambattista Basile's version, not in Grimms'.

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Re: Lemming Suicide Myth: Disney Film Faked Bogus Behavior

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cinderella is the lass who loses her shoe, not one of the ones who fall asleep, those are Sleeping Beauty and Snow White. While the Snow White situation is especially bad (first time we see the guy is when he drops by to plant one on a presumed-dead minor), the Sleeping Beauty story is a bit more nuanced: he was there as a child when the curse was laid on the princess so he knows what's going on and they have at leas…

> first time we see the guy is when he drops by to plant one on a presumed-dead minor Disney or the Grimm Brothers version? The original tale has Snow White (presumed dead) in a glass casket, the prince is taking her back to her father for a proper funeral, and she wakes up when the poisoned apple gets dislodged during the movement from the horses.

Also in the Disney version Snow White and the prince meet for the first time at the very beginning of the film.
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