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Establishment of the U.S. Artificial Intelligence Safety Institute

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Re: Establishment of the U.S. Artificial Intelligence Safety Institute

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

sp527 wrote: post #13
qualifiedai wrote: post #2

Let's shoot US innovation and leadership in the foot by establishing random limits on foundation model research. According to EO's guidelines on commpute, something like GPT4 probably falls under reporting guidelines. Also, in the last 10 years GPU compute capabilities grew 1000x. What will be happening even 2 or 5 years from now? Edit: yes, regulations are necessary but we should regulate applications of AI, not fun…

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So people outside of Silicon Valley are virtuous and selfless?

These kind of regulations are self defeating unless hard sanctions or trade bans are placed on countries that don’t adhere to similar AI guidelines.

Eg, China and manufacturing. China grew its manufacturing base by violating labor and environmental standards and now the same people who tout AI safety are against any restrictions on China.

Re: Establishment of the U.S. Artificial Intelligence Safety Institute

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Post by chii »

qualifiedai wrote: post #24
az09mugen wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You write it like there is litteraly 0 risk. Are you aware there are some malicious deviations already possible with AI ? Edit : Totally agree with qualifiedai's edit

The risk of AI, is much smaller than the risk of computer graphics or social media. My point is that applications of AI must be regulated, not fundamental research.

How is it different if the same application can be done without the use of an ai?

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Post by pixl97 »

kanzure wrote: post #57
ethanbond wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what's being discussed? A dramatic reduction in cost and increase in effectiveness of some undesirable behavior is exactly when you should look for new ways to address it. The goal of making things illegal is to prevent their occurrence, and if they get suddenly much cheaper and more effective, then your prior methods of deterring them will no longer work.

> The goal of making things illegal is to prevent their occurrence. Making drugs illegal didn't stop people from using drugs. Only a person can stop themselves from doing something, that's not something a law does.

You're confusing a bad law vs a law you don't like.

Turns out drug laws for adults are bad because a huge portion of the population does them. This said very few would agree that we should start letting kids do drugs.

Nuance is important and many people don't seem to grasp that distinction on things that hit close to home with them.

Re: Establishment of the U.S. Artificial Intelligence Safety Institute

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Post by Strilanc »

qualifiedai wrote: post #50
Strilanc wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're worried about winning the race. I'm worried the prize is an accidental intelligence explosion killing everyone. A government slamming on their brakes would be the most encouraging thing I've heard all year.

"Accidental intelligence explosion" - you have to provide a reasonable argument that this can happen. AIs we have now or currently under development are still just tools in the sense that all agency and consciousness comes solely from human operators. Of course, human operators can be malicious, which is why we should regulate applications of AI, not fundamental research in it.

I'm sure you're familiar with the arguments. It's the explicit goal of several AI companies to make something more capable than us at engineering. Once you have that, there's the possibility of very rapid self-reinforcing improvement. If you lose control of something like that, it's game over.

GPT4 may not generate world class code, but it does it at a scale and speed unmatched by humanity. Alpha Zero took a week to go from nothing to better than any human in history at Go.

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Post by brotchie »

digging wrote: post #78
brotchie wrote: post #5

Insane to me that, given a multi-year lead in tech, capability, talent, the USA is shooting itself in the foot re: innovation around AI. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory... damn

"Insane" is par for the course when talking about existential threats. I expect you don't believe there are existential threats from AI capabilities research, so anyone planning around them will look insane. To me, it's insane to say the threats can't exist. (I'm not endorsing this regulation. It's not at all clear than any regulation could be helpful. As you say, these regulations aren't going to slow non-US researc…

The only way out, is through :)

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Post by naveen99 »

sterlind wrote: post #77
vsareto wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt any military or strategically important applications will be regulated

That sounds like the worst of all worlds. Killer robots and childproofed Alexas and nothing in between.

They’ll probably use ai to build an alternative to microsoft windows and Active Directory to start with. Interestingly microsoft makes just 2% of its revenue from china, despite an 85% market share for personal computer operating systems there. But I am sure China would prefer to not deal with windows telemetry also.

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Post by vbi8iBEX »

renewiltord wrote: post #48
JohnPrine wrote: post #11

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I lean libertarian but I'm very much in favor of AI regulation

That's normal. Most libertarians are very much in favour of regulation.

The party is against it actually so I don't know what you're talking about.

edit: if you plant to draw a distinction between executive order regulation and standard regulation, they're against that too. Everything coming from the Libertarian party is against regulation and government interference in general.

https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/1719099143845765148

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