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IANAL, but if you have that in writing, it seems like you have a massive employment discrimination lawsuit just waiting for a lawyer.
All the lawyers I talked to said it sounded great and I should look for some other lawyer who's willing to do it.
We aren’t in for a pleasant surprise. If this userbase is anything less than 70% male I’d eat my hat. Tech has obviously in general has made considerable progress in being more inclusive. But HN, being a community of old farts lamenting about the good old days (if I have to read another comment about how great it is that the site hasn’t changed in 20 years I’lll scream), as well as techno-libertarians wanting to tell…
> Tech has obviously in general has made considerable progress in being more inclusive Ah yes the old and tired argument comes out again. Since there are 50% men and 50% women in the world why doesn't tech look the same? Cool opinion though...it's so 2015. Almost vintage! I particularly enjoyed the part where you imply it's a bad thing. Why don't we hear about that with welding, house building, firefighting, policing…
I would guess that you don’t hear it because you don't pay attention to news concerning those domains, at least as it relates to gender inclusion, as gender inclusion is an active issue in each of them.
https://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/education/education-m...
https://www.achrnews.com/articles/147486-welcome-women-into-...
https://www.hsaj.org/articles/21721
https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/public-safety-car...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/21/hire-fema...
https://www.lexipol.com/resources/blog/police-culture-and-wo...
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2023/01/military-must-recr...
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2022/12/19/...
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Well, you do hear about those things (welding, house building, firefighting, policing, the military). For example, the United States Marine Corps is slowly integrating some basic training and has a few co-ed companies [1]. This was such a far-fetched idea in the 90s that Ridley Scott made a movie about it starring Demi Moore (G.I. Jane, 1997). Firefighting is another excellent example [2]. 7-11% of firefighters in th…
Better examples probably would have been garbage men, roofers, welders, plumbers, etc. It's only a problem when the job is perceived to have some amount of status. No one fights over opportunities to unclog toilets or shovel fertilizer. The military has (rapidly declining) prestige, firefighting is considered exciting and heroic, etc. Then a demographic split becomes an opportunity to shake down the organization for…
And... if you were following any of those fields, you'd find gender inclusion is also an issue. Tech definitely gets more attention in a tech centric forum like HN, and usually (because $$) gets more attention from the general interest press, but the issues are everywhere, with fairly similar discussions.
The one thing I valued most about online communities at least "back in the day" was not knowing this stuff. I could genuinely be interacting with people as persons without being biased about them. It was the great equalizer and part of what drew me towards "the hacker's manifesto". Most of us I think fail to understand what an immense treasure of justice anonymity or at least pseudonymity is. It sucks that the modern…
Eh, it's one thing to know the gender of individuals. It's another thing to have anonymized statistics about the community.
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> outright discrimination against males in tech I'm sure you've seen some things here and there, but truly, saying "discrimination against males in tech" is a problem is quite ridiculous.
It's vastly male dominated, so you could argue that if there's discrimination against men it's not very effective. Probably there's discrimination for and against women, and for and against men, in all sorts of ways. But I'd bet that discrimination against hiring men into a tech position is probably the norm.
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It's vastly male dominated, so you could argue that if there's discrimination against men it's not very effective. Probably there's discrimination for and against women, and for and against men, in all sorts of ways. But I'd bet that discrimination against hiring men into a tech position is probably the norm.
I talked with some hiring managers about this a few years ago. About 5 years ago, female devs with an undergrad degree made up less than 20% of the available hiring pool. There's a preference to hire female developers, but finding them is incredibly difficult - which is partly why there's a preference. I wouldn't call that discrimination in hiring when it's simply trying to balance a dev team that's 4/5ths males.