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Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by michaelt »

justin66 wrote: post #8
amelius wrote: post #2

But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

If you aren't buying a thousand of them, how much does "price point" really matter to you?

> If you aren't buying a thousand of them, how much does "price point" really matter to you?

A lot of recreational tinkerers are already giving up their free time, and accepting a slightly inferior product to the commercial options. To also spend more would be a step too far :)

Getting my 20-year-old mono laser printer network-enabled with $20 of hardware: Smart, e-waste-reducing move, even if it only supports 300dpi.

Doing the same thing with $100 of hardware: Why waste the time, when a brand new mono laser would cost less, offer better print quality, and have built in wifi?

Setting up a DIY networked camera with $50 of hardware: Fun little hobby project, maybe more secure than the sketchy cloud options and cheap imports that never get firmware updates.

Doing the same thing with $130 of hardware: Just buy from Axis or Pelco or whoever. They'll have figured out the waterproofing, and the night vision, and the PoE, and nobody will call you a dumbass for buying the "wRoNg tYpE oF mIcRoSdcArD"

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by justin66 »

timthorn wrote: post #68
justin66 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So my missing context as to why people obsess over price differences on the order of $20 when talking about single-board computers in Raspberry Pi-related comment threads is... they're thinking of the children?

That's the market RPi was initially established for

And there is a much more powerful Raspberry Pi (model 3) available at the original price point of the Raspberry Pi. Or others like the zero that are even cheaper, and still more capable in some ways.

I'm not sure having a new one available that is quite a bit more powerful and costs $25 more is hurting those kids.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by justin66 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #71
justin66 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is suggesting people ought to spend thousands of dollars on their hobby. The point is that the difference between an $80 computer and a $120 computer (for example) is not going to break any hobbiest in 2023. I'm trying to figure out why anyone wants to pretend that that kind of difference is a big deal, and why it always manifests in Raspberry Pi conversations. It's weird. > edgyquant Haha.

Having been a teenager and broke college student, I can assure you that $40 does in fact matter to some hobbyists.

When I was a broke college student I would have just not bought the top of the line system, which is what we're talking about here.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by alex_john_m »

I checked all Eastern Europe retailers on their website and none of them seem to be having the board in stock.

All of them are either taking preorders or say they will start deliveries in late december or early january.

The only retailers that seem to have any stock at all are in the UK and buying from there is a nightmare due to brexit (assuming the boards ever arrive at all - they have a nasty habbit of taking people's money but never deliver).

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by eropple »

Qwertious wrote: post #57
eropple wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really doesn't. Cheap phones have browsed the web just fine for a long time, now. Raspberry Pi makes some weird hardware choices and have been suffering from it for a while. The insistence on SD cards (other manufacturers support eMMC or m.2 or both, and while RPi5 does now this has been the case elsewhere for A While) is the biggest problem with overall perf, including browsers. I would expect the boards with the…

How is MicroSD weird? A microSD card 1) is available at Officeworks etc, and 2) doesn't require soldering so imaging the OS can be done before your RasPi even arrives on your Windows/Mac computer. In contrast eMMC is soldered onto the board, while the m.2 didn't even exist back in 2012 when the first RasPi launched.

In a time when computer programs habitually assume fast storage, running your operating system and primary runtime on a microSD card is weird. Even "fast" microSD storage usually isn't unless you buy cards that cost as much as the SBC in the first place. If you want some perf in the SD form factor you go to the full-size card--that's one reason cameras still use them--but even there you encounter pretty hard limits, which is why higher-end cameras have also gone to SSD-over-USB-C and CFExpress Type B.

eMMC does not have to be soldered-on, either; the Orange Pi 5+ has a swappable eMMC module.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by eropple »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #76
eropple wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really doesn't. Cheap phones have browsed the web just fine for a long time, now. Raspberry Pi makes some weird hardware choices and have been suffering from it for a while. The insistence on SD cards (other manufacturers support eMMC or m.2 or both, and while RPi5 does now this has been the case elsewhere for A While) is the biggest problem with overall perf, including browsers. I would expect the boards with the…

Cheap phones don't browse ' the ' web ' just ' fine—they browse 'a phone-optimised responsive' web 'reasonably' fine. A fair comparison of cheap phones and a Raspberry Pi would be browsing the web with the "Desktop site" feature enabled in the phone browser.

I have a Moto G...something, at least five years old, sitting on my desk. It normally acts as a teleprompter. I opened up Chrome, turned on desktop site mode, and started browsing, and gotta be honest: it was fine. If nothing else, if absolutely nothing else, it could scroll a web page without stuttering, and a Raspberry Pi 4 has never been able to do that in any configuration I ever tested.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by bluGill »

Qwertious wrote: post #57
eropple wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really doesn't. Cheap phones have browsed the web just fine for a long time, now. Raspberry Pi makes some weird hardware choices and have been suffering from it for a while. The insistence on SD cards (other manufacturers support eMMC or m.2 or both, and while RPi5 does now this has been the case elsewhere for A While) is the biggest problem with overall perf, including browsers. I would expect the boards with the…

How is MicroSD weird? A microSD card 1) is available at Officeworks etc, and 2) doesn't require soldering so imaging the OS can be done before your RasPi even arrives on your Windows/Mac computer. In contrast eMMC is soldered onto the board, while the m.2 didn't even exist back in 2012 when the first RasPi launched.

This is the pi5, not the pi1. Technology marches on. Maybe the SD made sense in 2012, but that doesn't mean it still makes sense in 2023.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by moffkalast »

peppercat10 wrote: post #50
treve wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not saying this applies, but: The speed of the raspberry pi goes up dramatically when using a fast USB disk instead of micro SD. Most people start with a micro SD, and I had no idea how much faster a Pi could go.

It does apply to me - I never tried it with a USB disk. I'm getting an RPi5 eventually, and I'll try this out. Thanks for sharing!

With the Pi 5 you can do better than that, there's PCIe support and an official NVMe hat. Or will be eventually, anyway.

https://www.raspberrypi.com/app/uploads/2023/09/40e82000-af3...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by Havoc »

bhouston wrote: post #22
amelius wrote: post #2

But is it still the most attractive SBC at its price point?

Orange PI 5 Plus is faster (10% faster single threaded, 200% faster multicore per Geekbench) and also supports up to 32GB of memory. It has decent support, but not anything like the Raspberry Pi ecosystem. So if you want a SBC that is fast for special well defined projects, go with Orange PI 5 Plus, but if you want one for arbitrary hobby projects with tons of support everywhere, go with the Raspberry Pi series.

I’ve never seen a 32gb for sale?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5: available now

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Post by zamadatix »

benterix wrote: post #63

I'm sorry but it got too expensive and hence lost its main advantage. These days I use second-hand desktop mini-pcs that cost minimally more than the full Rpi set (charger, CD card, case, SBC) but are much more powerful. For anything involving WiFi/IoT, I use ESP32 - far less expensive and very easy to use. And for cases where WiFi is not needed, we have tons of interesting solutions and few reasons to use the Pi.

These are the two high RAM models but I expect the low RAM model to retain the same $35 price. That's no microntroller cost but if you can get away with such they also have the Pico these days which is $4.
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