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Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by dash2 »

wutwutwat wrote: post #65
dash2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this actually a good idea? Won't you be investing in a lot of obsolete skills?

You have to be trolling Learning how linux operates, ops is done, networks are configured, firewalls are hardened, processes are monitored, resources are allocated, disks are backed up, ips are assigned, routing tables work, symlinks work, and code is deployed is never going to be an obsolete skill. Pick whatever amazing heroku, fly, render, replit, next, k8s, nomad, docker, whatever platform you think has abstracted…

I am not trolling.

My view is that there will be a few very smart people at the companies you mention, doing those things. But most jobs in the tech industry will not require those skills. That's the point of specialization. It is efficient.

You claim that linux, disk backup and routing tables will never be obsolete. Really?

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by apitman »

wonrax wrote: post #48
simpaticoder wrote: post #11

Rent a $5/mo Linux VPS and be happy. I think more people should do this because what you learn (and you'll learn a lot) is the foundation of everything else. Do this even if you are a programmer used to deploying to sophisitcated CI/CD stacks and k8s. The tight resource constraints (e.g. 1G RAM) are good for you - they make you think, and take care what you run and when you run it. Learn to setup ssh on both ends; le…

I currently host a personal VPN and my website (which includes a static blog, a Rust API, and a Postgres database), all on a $6/m VPS. Being a first-time customer, the service provider offered a 100% bonus on the credit I deposited making it even half as expensive. It probably won't hold up when the site has decent traffic, but for now it's the best money I've spent.

What do you do with the API?

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by apitman »

qaq wrote: post #68
a1o wrote: post #16

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Do you have a link to this 5 dollar service you mention? The ones I knew have risen prices considerably.

https://www.hetzner.com/ will give you 2GB for $5

And absurd amounts of traffic

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by ipaddr »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #69
opportune wrote: post #34

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I’m from very far outside the tech bubble, far enough outside it that people don’t even personally know anybody that writes software and there are almost no local software companies. People in that group - the vast majority of people in the world but by definition not really possible for an engineer to have much contact with - do not understand what work is involved in creating and running software. How well do you k…

Imo the worst part about this noreplit thing is that everyone who uses their product does, or at least should, know how difficult creating something like it is. These aren't the outside the tech bubble people, they're just confoundingly entitled.

We have faith that someone has hacked the business in a way to provide endless value.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by coder543 »

CJefferson wrote: post #78
coder543 wrote: post #26

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also, https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/pricing/#Virtual_servers lots of hosting providers with cheap options these days.

Well, it’s cheap until a badly behaved script starts sending lots of data and Amazon charges your card a huge bill (unless they’ve finally got around to hard price caps?)

None of these 4 providers do hard caps. If a lack of hard caps is your complaint, file it against all of them.

Lightsail instances each include at least 1TB of transfer each month, which is the same as DigitalOcean. Vultr and Linode also charge network overage fees on a per gigabyte basis if you transfer too much. Absolutely, everyone should set up billing alerts on any of these services.

I'm not here to say Lightsail is the absolute best option, just an option.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by LapsangGuzzler »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #69
opportune wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m from very far outside the tech bubble, far enough outside it that people don’t even personally know anybody that writes software and there are almost no local software companies. People in that group - the vast majority of people in the world but by definition not really possible for an engineer to have much contact with - do not understand what work is involved in creating and running software. How well do you k…

Imo the worst part about this noreplit thing is that everyone who uses their product does, or at least should, know how difficult creating something like it is. These aren't the outside the tech bubble people, they're just confoundingly entitled.

That’s the impression I got looking at the dev behind this site. They clearly have development experience, they’re just mad and trying to make as much noise about it as they can.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by mvdtnz »

BoorishBears wrote: post #10

Interesting strategy to stake your future on even more platforms that don't take money. If you're tired of shifty providers, why not vote with your wallet and pay people money for services instead of forcing them to take on increasing amounts of investment to subsidize your usage? It just comes back to bite you when said investments need to make a return and they get forced into being shifty. _ I get money can be tig…

> consider you will not find many hobbies where the "tools of the trade" as cheap as paying for compute can be.

This is a great point. Even my cheapest hobby, running, costs more than a $5/mo VPS in shoes alone.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by tensor »

kredd wrote: post #76
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #19

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> ...why didn’t you pay for the thing you complain about? If something means something to you, adds value to your life, or saves you time, maybe it’s worth considering paying for it if the value provided is worth the cost. Demanding free stuff is entitled and silly and needs to stop. At risk of derailing this conversation, but a common problem today is that oftentimes the companies offering a free service simply won'…

If supporting paid model costs more than what they make from paid users, why would a company implement it? Me, you, and most of engineers are in extreme minority for our willingness to pay for stuff to avoid ads. So you’ll get a very tiny percentage of people paying for a service where you hope you’ll recoup your investments after some years. Maybe never.

And yet many of these sites put enormous effort into combating ad blockers. So clearly the fact that users don’t want ads is fairly significant to them.

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

kredd wrote: post #76
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...why didn’t you pay for the thing you complain about? If something means something to you, adds value to your life, or saves you time, maybe it’s worth considering paying for it if the value provided is worth the cost. Demanding free stuff is entitled and silly and needs to stop. At risk of derailing this conversation, but a common problem today is that oftentimes the companies offering a free service simply won'…

If supporting paid model costs more than what they make from paid users, why would a company implement it? Me, you, and most of engineers are in extreme minority for our willingness to pay for stuff to avoid ads. So you’ll get a very tiny percentage of people paying for a service where you hope you’ll recoup your investments after some years. Maybe never.

> If supporting paid model costs more than what they make from paid users, why would a company implement it?

But bnce the code is written to handle it then it's there for everyone to use (though yes, billing infrastructure does requires continual upkeep) - it could even be an internal garage/passion-project/hackathon thing. Companies like Twitter want to attact "the best", and people like that will want to build products that they themselves want to use - why stop them?

Plus there might be other intangible benefits to supporting power-users: it means the power-users will talk about how great something is, and you can't buy word-of-mouth influence like that.

> Me, you, and most of engineers are in extreme minority for our willingness to pay for stuff to avoid ads.

People said the same thing about paying-for-YouTube, and yet YouTube Premium is here to stay, and I'm glad that Google was willing to experiment with the concept, and it worked - but what about all the companies that aren't willing to at-least try to find out?

Re: Replit permanently moves to paid hosting after 7 years of free service

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Post by lamontcg »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #19
folivore wrote: post #7

I get that losing access to things you got used to sucks. At the same time, IMO, this post comes across quite entitled and whiny. Nobody owes you anything, specially not free hosting and/or server time forever. That stuff isn’t cheap and isn’t easy to manage, and they’re paying people and infra on what I imagine isn’t a great return. So, free users are sad because it’s not the free they want it to be, except the free…

> ...why didn’t you pay for the thing you complain about? If something means something to you, adds value to your life, or saves you time, maybe it’s worth considering paying for it if the value provided is worth the cost. Demanding free stuff is entitled and silly and needs to stop. At risk of derailing this conversation, but a common problem today is that oftentimes the companies offering a free service simply won'…

> There's also the worst-of-both-worlds: when you pay for something, and it still comes with ads, and introduces user-hostile changes to the UX - or otherwise leaves you with the feeling that you aren't valued as a customer (e.g. Windows 11, Reddit, post-Elon Twitter, etc).

And the Peacock streaming service.

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