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The Techno-Optimist Manifesto

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Re: The Techno-Optimist Manifesto

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I'm really a bit shocked this was flagged. A blog post (marketed as a manifesto no less!) from the founder of Netscape and one of the biggest VCs in the business about the future of technology. I understand its potential for flame wars, but how could this not be on-topic for HN?

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Re: The Techno-Optimist Manifesto

#82

> Markets > We believe central economic planning elevates the worst of us and drags everyone down; markets exploit the best of us to benefit all of us > We believe central planning is a doom loop; markets are an upward spiral There's many things off with this. The USSR from the 1920s to early 1950s had enormous economic growth - particularly in the 1930s when so-called free markets in the West had collapsed, by the 1…

Of course, people in USSR were starving while free markets were making Westerners fatter and fatter.

Re: The Techno-Optimist Manifesto

#83

I'm really a bit shocked this was flagged. A blog post (marketed as a manifesto no less!) from the founder of Netscape and one of the biggest VCs in the business about the future of technology. I understand its potential for flame wars, but how could this not be on-topic for HN?

It’s a painfully dumb piece to the point that it’s hard to even nod along with the parts I agree with, because they’re so poorly-argued. There are paragraphs that are at-odds with the one right before, and not, apparently, on purpose.

If it’s not AI written from a much-shorter prompt then I don’t know how this came to be. Writing on a big dose of uppers then not re-reading before posting? It’s an amateurish mess.

I can’t imagine how this bad, obliviously-derivative, name-dropping-while-citing-misunderstood-ideas like a college freshman, bit of writing, could promote productive conversation, unless we want to do a deep-dive critique of it so folks can better learn how not to embarrass themselves with very-public internet posts.

Re: The Techno-Optimist Manifesto

#84

Really more of an e/acc manifesto. Interesting to see a twitter thing slowly leak into the mainstream one step at a time.

it's ironic, because wouldn't marx be considered the OG accelerationist?

Lenin, more like. Marx reckoned it’d all happen more-or-less naturally, others decided it needed a push.

[edit] ok, nuance, yes he advocated movements to replace capitalism with communism, but he’s not the one mainly associated with attempts to bring communism “too early” (too early by Marx’s reckoning of the timeline of capitalism, that is)

Re: The Techno-Optimist Manifesto

#85
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's wholesale falsehood. The wins in the last 200 years are so dramatic for the average person, especially in the West. Infant mortality rate and the chance of survival to adulthood alone are such glorious victories against Death that I would gladly vote for any system that would give us those wins and create a trillionaire. All that wondrous science has come from this system. No. Evidence is evidence. Thi…

We live like Gods compared to people of the 1800s. Some of us do. If you're at the poorer end of society things are still pretty damn bleak. People live with long term treatable illness. People don't have basic necessities like shelter or food or water. People live with very little prospect of escaping a life of drudgery. Sure, those of us who can afford them have lots of shiny gadgets that save us from a bit of manu…

> Some of us do

Almost every single one of us does. The great, huge, gigantic majority of us does. Few realize it though.

Re: The Techno-Optimist Manifesto

#87
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For hundreds of years, we properly glorified this – until recently. We really didn't. At least, not at the time, and certainly not everyone. Plenty of people throughout history have been adamantly against the rapid progress of technology. The Luddites are the most famous group but there have been lots more. Even if you ignore those people for being frankly a bit weird, the driving force behind technology for the firs…

He literally cites not-recent examples (and his list is far from exhaustive) of technological skepticism in the paragraph right before. You can rebut that silly claim with his own text, you don’t even need to reach beyond it.

Re: The Techno-Optimist Manifesto

#88

This is a profession of faith for tech bros so devoid of meaning and humanity in their lives that they have to worship "progress" to justify their existence.

Can you please make your substantive points without snark or name-calling?

Perhaps you don't owe the devoid of meaning and humanity in their lives better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Techno-Optimist Manifesto

#90

> Markets prevent monopolies and cartels. A lot of the optimism seems to rely on this statement and...I'm not convinced? But I also admit I'm not well informed on the topic. Does anyone have suggested reading on 'market discipline', as they're calling it? I mean, the first person on their "Patron Saints of Techno-Optimism" is Jeff Bezos, who is actively dealing with an antitrust lawsuit from the FTC regarding Amazon'…

Right. Land and air telecommunications are almost totally controlled by Verizon and AT&T. They are also some of the largest cable companies, although Comcast is a competitor. Although Comcast owns NBCUniversal, and we can start getting into the media monopoly. We can go through business by business and see the rise of monopolies and oligopolies. Universal owns half of the US music market - Universal, Sony and Warner…

What organization has a media monopoly? You have access to the internet, with which you can access media from individuals all the way up to multiple large corporations.

On the national level, there are multiple sources of news (NYT/News Corp/Disney/Comcast/Paramount/WaPo/LATimes/etc). There are lots of sources of professionally and amateur produced entertainment. Apple/Amazon/Comcast/Disney/Sony/WarnerBrosDiscovery/Paramount/etc.

If anything, the monopoly exists on wired broadband to peoples homes, which is usually only available from one seller.

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