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The Evolution of Tunnel Boring Machines

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Re: The Evolution of Tunnel Boring Machines

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Does anyone know why such machines aren't being used to create artificial rivers? It seems civilization and therefore economic activity follows where fresh water sources are. And there is already a problem in the US west with water shortage.

I assume it’s easier not to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqueduct_(water_supply)

If all you care about is delivering to the destination I guess that makes sense, but since it aims to minimize water loss, it does not enrich the environment along the path. Normally, sediment and other things get transported downstream and the arid landscape in the path might get greener and attract wildlife and eventually people.

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If you're talking about climate change, the number one threat is going to be food. Climate change is correlated with worse crops because it brings more droughts and harsher weather extremes and this will become a real problem.

yes crops will have to be included, as well as a, cohort of supportive biotypes. very much a noahs ark scenario, but we may best use a number of avenues, such as exoplanetary colonies.

No. We need to get our shit together.

It becomes really tangible just how much we drank the kool aid of capitalism when people can more easily imagine moving ontonexoplanet colonies than a future where the gain of the few capitalists isn't literally priorized above the survival of the human race.

Why do you think the next planet won't fall victim to the same mechanisms?

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yes crops will have to be included, as well as a, cohort of supportive biotypes. very much a noahs ark scenario, but we may best use a number of avenues, such as exoplanetary colonies.

There is nothing that we can do to this planet that would render the environment a tenth as inhospitable as any known other planet. IIRC we've not even found one that has free oxygen in the atmosphere yet. Even if we did, anything with that and water would be extremely exiting by the standards of exoplanets, even if it had an average temperature of 75 C which would kill humans.

Oh, we can do a lot to make that planet inhospitable. You are right that it would take quite a while to reach anything resembling martian levels and we still have a magnetic core which helps with many things.

But I wouldn't underestimate the multitude of ways in which this planet could be made inhospitable by us.

We are trusting a lot on the self-correcting power of nature on this planet, but we just don't know if there isn't some tipping point after which there is no return.

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I don’t buy it. 25% of workers is a lot of workers for a megaproject of this scale. This would either have to be a single devastating week, in which case they would learn about it really quickly and would probably still be the collective memory, or O'Rourke Engineering Construction Company willfully allowed their workers to die out of mysterious causes and opted not to investigate. The latter is actually more likely…

It seems plausible to me and the Panama canal is a good comparison. 30,000 workers dies building the canal, which was 40% of the workforce. It is a lot easier to replace a few dozen men digging tunnels in New York, than find 30,000 replacements in a swamp and jungle. Life was simply cheap. If you go back 75 years further, you had pretty similar documented death rates for sailors - especially in the slave trade where…

Deaths during construction of the Panama Canal were overwhelmingly from tropical diseases, notably yellow fever and malaria:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_measures_during_the_con...>

The transmission of yellow fever by mosquitos was established by Maj. Walter Reed, US Army, the physician for whom Walter Reed Hospital is named:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed>

The shear lethality of tropical diseases to Europeans prior to the 20th century really cannot be overstated. I'd run across a statistic that the life expectancy of a British soldier stationed to Africa was on the order of six months:

In 1824 half the 600 soldiers garrisoned in the Gold Coast died within a few months, and the House of Commons was told in 1826, that of 1,567 troops sent out in the previous two years, 905 had died. Europeans died mainly from malaria and yellow fever - or from the “cures” which were nearly as dangerous as the ailments. Blood-letting was common. Leeches were standard colonial surgical equipment, being placed on the patients shaved head to “suck out” the fever. Great blisters were raised with steaming cloths or mustard packs and then broken to drain away the fever. On the same principle, salivating was induced by calomel, often at the expense of the victim’s teeth, or by quicksilver and mercury, an even more drastic “treatment” that inflamed the mouth and sometimes caused the sick man to suffocate on his own swollen tongue.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070106173014/myweb.tiscali.co....>

Drawing a distinction between death by disease and by accident may be somewhat arbitrary, but still seems a distinction worth noting.

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The projection for boring company is interesting at least. They seem to argue most of the "wins" are procedural, and relate to business practices, paperwork and general business efficiency, the "we can do 1km a day" claims not withstanding (they don't claim this. But, it is definitely an out-there claim of their speed) -The reality of the equipment and process they use is still an advance on most, but it's more norma…

We had nuclear tbm's in the early 70's, but nobody thought to develop them further than a few prototypes.

They worked though, and were very fast for their time, still quite fast even by today's standards.

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yes crops will have to be included, as well as a, cohort of supportive biotypes. very much a noahs ark scenario, but we may best use a number of avenues, such as exoplanetary colonies.

There is nothing that we can do to this planet that would render the environment a tenth as inhospitable as any known other planet. IIRC we've not even found one that has free oxygen in the atmosphere yet. Even if we did, anything with that and water would be extremely exiting by the standards of exoplanets, even if it had an average temperature of 75 C which would kill humans.

> There is nothing that we can do to this planet that would render the environment a tenth as inhospitable as any known other planet

That's yet to be proven - although not in my lifetime, I hope. One would hope that humankind would finally manage to do something before it gets as bad as on Venus, but I wouldn't bet on it...

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The majority of people in the US live in urban and suburban areas. There’s plenty we can do in these areas to reduce car-dependency instead of paving more roadway (which ends up as waste of time due to induced demand).

I think you misunderstand induced demand. The increased demand when you add more capacity, simply means even more utilisation is achieved -> increased productivity. This is not a waste of time. The correct comparison should be comparing for each area and situation, which type of transport investment results in the greatest utility. The objective is not to minimise traffic, but to maximise peoples ability to get where…

By that logic: How can you actually increase utility for trains if you don't build a train? If public transportation is eschewed in favor of more roadways, then unsurprisingly the utility of the roads increases.

But, many studies have shown that building more roads does not reduce congestion. Congestion is not function of roadway space-- other factors like accidents, merging, exiting, peak travel capacity, etc greatly impact congestion. Building another lane on a highway doesn't solve the problem.

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Tangential, is Elon Musk's idea of small diameter tunnels constructed rapidly a currently unviable idea or the future of the industry?

I know it's a big ask to send you a 40 min youtube video, but grab some popcorn and enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dn6ZVpJLxs

TL;DW No. Tunnels are hard to rapidly dig (esp. in the US where property rights exist underground), they require safety elements like proper ventilation, and they are still subject to congestion at the destination exits.

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We need a lot more than one more lane. Traffic continues at high speeds long after it isn't safe. You are supposed to see 2 seconds between cars, yet when I get on a busy road and do that I often see 5 cars in the lane next to me in that distance. Little des moines where I live needs Huston levels of lanes to allow for safe travel. For a city with significant population you need a lot more. Or of course better public…

car travel would be a lot less appealing in throughput if subject to the same stringent separation requirements as rail travel.

The stringent separation requirements are because of the long braking distances of trains, cars have much shorter braking distances - however even those are routinely violated by drivers. In Germany, the rule of thumb is "half your speed", i.e. 25 m for 50 km/h, 50 m for 100 km/h etc.
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