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2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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> During the twentieth century, women’s education levels continuously increased, and in most high-income countries they are now substantially higher than for men. > However, Goldin has shown that the bulk of this earnings difference is now between [sic] and women in the same occupation, and that it largely arises with the birth of the first child. Interesting situation developing if the main effort is in educating wo…

I wonder how much, if any, this is balanced on the male side. How many young men re-enter or double down on work once their first child appears? Women may drop out to become primary caregivers but how many men drop into jobs that they previously would not have taken? Go to any military recruitment center and you will find young men with same story: "My girlfriend is pregnant; I need a real job." I'm reminded of that classic Simpsons story where Homer has to abandon his dream job at the bowling alley to take a soul-crushing but higher-paying job at the nuclear plant. Is decreased workforce participation by Marge offset by increased productivity from Homer?

A corollary to this is that Homer's choice of job was dictated by the needs of his family. For many today, the big raise must appear before any decision to have kids. Work now dictates family.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Granted, the merit of some of the awards is questionable, but I think e.g.: Nash's work on game theory or Kahneman/Tvservky's on the pyschology of judgment definitely fall under the umbrella of "science".

There are plenty of awards granted for great work in computer science, electrical engineering, or any number of other fields. It doesn't make them Nobel prizes. At least the ACM never attempted to hang on the coattails of the the Nobel Prize by naming the Turing award for Alfred Nobel.

>At least the ACM never attempted to hang on the coattails of the the Nobel Prize by naming the Turing award for Alfred Nobel.

Aren't they riding on the coattails of Turing instead?

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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I now regret making this remark.

My purpose was not to be dismissive of economics as a proper science. It was just a clarification the this prize is not part of the Alfred Nobel's will, it was instituted in 1968 by Sweden's central bank (in a way that you might call a bit shady).

Nowadays, Swedish media is quite good at making this distinction, but international media is still rather confused about this.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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To me the "economics is not real science" people is much like the "evolution is just a theory" crowd. When you don't like the results, it is comforting to find a way to not believe it.

I have a pretty serious physics education, and in my older days I find Economics to be the most fascinating science. It makes much of society understandable in ays tha were not possible before.

That said, the sub field of Macro Economics is a very difficult field for several reasons, and it may be impossible to get very far on it. But that is only one branch on that tree.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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The use of the scientific method.

Plenty of hypothesis are formed and experiments done in economics: > The Kansas experiment refers to Kansas Senate Bill Substitute HB 2117, a bill signed into law in May 2012 by Kansas state Governor Sam Brownback, and its impact on Kansas.[1][2] It was one of the largest income tax cuts in the state's history.[3] The Kansas experiment has also been called the "Great Kansas Tax Cut Experiment",[4] the "Red-state expe…

what is the control in these experiments?

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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I used to do the "it's not a real nobel" take as well when I was young and edgy, and then I realized that Alfred Nobel was just another rich guy buying his way post-mortem prestige*, not even doing so during his life. Even if "most of the applications were civil", with the economic devastation it brought and the undeniable military uses, I'm not sure the "merchant of death" moniker was unearned. So by now, I think th…

What economic devastation? Honest question I'm not sure what's the harm in civilian use of dynamite?

Economically, dynamite has been highly beneficial, as it can do a huge number of man hours of work in seconds.

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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It’s a practical example of how economics is unique among sciences in that it’s a marketing discipline as well. Nobel didn’t give us a prize? That’s just a problem to be solved with money and social engineering, like so many aspects of economics.

Nothing unique there. Physics does a lot of marketing, too (including claiming economics as part of physics at times).

String Theory has revolutionary results coming any decade now, just you wait!

Re: 2023 Nobel Prize in economics awarded to Claudia Goldin

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Plenty of hypothesis are formed and experiments done in economics: > The Kansas experiment refers to Kansas Senate Bill Substitute HB 2117, a bill signed into law in May 2012 by Kansas state Governor Sam Brownback, and its impact on Kansas.[1][2] It was one of the largest income tax cuts in the state's history.[3] The Kansas experiment has also been called the "Great Kansas Tax Cut Experiment",[4] the "Red-state expe…

what is the control in these experiments?

> what is the control in these experiments?

What was the control in Eddington?

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddington_experiment

Einstein's models made a prediction, people tested/measured that prediction, it turned out true/accurate. General theory has made other predictions, and empirical observations have found them to be accurate as well.

A phenomena was going to happen (e.g., tax law changes): some economic models predicted X would happen, and some predicted Y would. We can see which were more accurate.

Plenty of "real" science is/was done outside of controlled experiments.

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