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Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by imjonse »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #69
imjonse wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, Mandela did not get it while imprisoned and while the US and the UK were tacit supporters of the Apartheid regime. And Maria Ressa seems anti-Duterte, and pro-US if I read correctly.

>Mandela did not get it while imprisoned and while the US and the UK were tacit supporters of the Apartheid regime True >Maria Ressa seems anti-Duterte, and pro-US if I read correctly Duterte is/was a Trump style figure in a country that houses U.S military bases. If Pakistan counts then the Philippines must count as well.

I mean the Philippines is traditionally a US ally, but Duterte both openly criticised the US and tried to get closer to China. And Maria Ressa is definitely not an anti-US or anti-Western activist.

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Post by brap »

mynameishere wrote: post #80
brap wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>people being free to choose the way want to live their lives Do you think this is what the Iranians choose? >There is high voter turnout Are you claiming Iran has free democratic elections? Just to put this in some perspective - Iran has an extreme shia muslim regime. Following the laws of shia islam is strictly enforced (don't wear a hijab? get beaten and thrown in jail. Homosexual? get publicly hanged from a crane…

It is possible to have completely above-the-board, fair elections and wind up with a set of politicians who work expressly against the interests of the people. I hope you don't consider that a point in dispute.

I do, and Iran certainly does not have fair elections.

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Post by dotnet00 »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #44

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That's only convincing if you ignore the mass rioting that happens every other election cycle when the popular liberal (relative to Iran, eg he still hates America, but thinks maybe women should be given more freedom) candidate who promises reform gets removed from the ballot.

Having seen the rioting and resulting crackdowns in person, it's absurd to say that the people are particularly happy with the state of things.

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Post by hollander »

csomar wrote: post #29
michaeltimo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts in four main areas: arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democracy and human rights, and work aimed at creating a better organized and more peaceful world. In the 21st century the Nobel Committee has embraced efforts to limit the harm done by man-made climate change and threats to the environment as relevant to the Peace P…

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The Nobel peace prize is not about who has the worst life. Women in Afghanistan have it - in general - worse than in Iran, I'm quite sure about that. That's not the criterium to get this prize.

This is whataboutism, nothing less, and your fake-news remark makes me wonder your motivation even more.

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Post by trimethylpurine »

archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

This is because civil rights are a Western ideology. They certainly didn't come from ISIS' views on women. Nor from Russia and China, who supported them.

Snowden defected to Russia, see above about supporting ISIS. Assange and Manning's exposure literally cost the lives of Afghan families who were working against AQ, another regime that openly oppresses its people's civil rights.

I think you might need to have a hard look at what you think peace is.

So far, the most civil rights a person can experience is under Western governance, flawed as it is.

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Post by pastor_bob »

archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

>Edward Snowden

You mean the guy who has sworn allegiance to Putin and takes an anti-Ukraine stance on Twitter to save his neck? A guy who has made millions peddling 'his story' and lives a life of luxury in Moscow? Yeah, surely he should get a Nobel prize

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Post by user3939382 »

trimethylpurine wrote: post #85
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

This is because civil rights are a Western ideology. They certainly didn't come from ISIS' views on women. Nor from Russia and China, who supported them. Snowden defected to Russia, see above about supporting ISIS. Assange and Manning's exposure literally cost the lives of Afghan families who were working against AQ, another regime that openly oppresses its people's civil rights. I think you might need to have a hard…

> Snowden defected to Russia

To add context, Snowden became trapped in Russia when the US State Department decided to cancel his passport while he was at an airport there on the way out of Russia.

> Assange and Manning's exposure literally cost the lives of Afghan families

Exposure like the footage they revealed of US drones killing innocent civilians?

> The U.S. post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and Pakistan have taken a tremendous human toll on those countries. As of September 2021, an estimated 432,093 civilians in these countries have died violent deaths as a result of the wars.

Right, Assange is the problem, not the US military operations he exposed.

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Post by toyg »

sneak wrote: post #42
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

They gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a US president who had ordered so many drone strikes that even by the US's own admission, hundreds of children were slaughtered. It's pretty farcical.

As others said, the prize was well before drone strikes were a thing. It was basically honouring the effort to run and win the US presidential election as a black man, something nobody had ever managed to do.

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Post by zarzavat »

wizerdrobe wrote: post #58
sneak wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a US president who had ordered so many drone strikes that even by the US's own admission, hundreds of children were slaughtered. It's pretty farcical.

By virtue of the President’s role of Commander in Chief and that Doctor’s Without Borders as an organization has received the prize, it can be said that this President is the first to bomb another Nobel recipient after an attack on a MSF hospital. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike

> On 7 October 2015, President Barack Obama issued an apology and announced the United States would be making condolence payments of $6,000 to the families of those killed in the airstrike

Literally adding insult to injury. No wonder the US kills so many foreigners if it only values them at six thousand dollars a piece.

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