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4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by dang »

lamontcg wrote: post #46
chmod775 wrote: post #45

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Of course. Such cheap attacks don't have to be tolerated and it's perfectly fair to point them out for what they are. I didn't seek out a random comment to take a potshot at - you directly replied to me with a comment that contains nothing but a mean-spirited dig.

Yeah, now I definitely have questions about your character.

You broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. Please don't do that, and please avoid tit-for-tat spats, regardless of how wrong or provocative someone else is being or you feel they are.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by kenjackson »

pgsandstrom wrote: post #66
kenjackson wrote: post #55

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But do they really not hold those views? I know a lot of kids who do things to get a reaction, but I've seen one actually take an ideological perspective that they don't believe in to get one. They just broadcast ideological perspectives they do believe, which they think will get a reaction. What's some belief you pretended to have, but you really didn't?

When I was young I could entertain myself by arguing for the flat earth theory. I never for a second believed it to be true. I simply found it entertaining to frustrate people with stupid opinions. I dont know why I found this entertaining, and I dont know why I changed when I got older. Perhaps I hadn't fully developed my empathy at that young age, so I didn't see frustration in others as something bad. But this is…

So you'd only do this to argue with others. I presume you wouldn't go to Flat Earth forums to exchange thoughts with other flat earthers??

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by arp242 »

krapp wrote: post #26
chmod775 wrote: post #19

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Or that's what they want you to believe - because obviously that's more lolz. Though maybe there's some that actually are, because of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1012082 Ask yourself why an actual racist without any intention to cause chaos would engage in this behavior though. It's clearly intended to offend and get a reaction - that's the main goal. Whether it's done by actual racists is secondary.

Also known as Popehat's Law of Goats: He who fucks goats, either as part of a performance or to troll those he deems has overly delicate sensibilities is simply, a goatfucker. If your goal is to be seen as a racist, and to provoke a response from people who are offended by racists, and you do all of the things that racists do to that end, spending time on racist forums spreading racist memes and hate speech, then the…

It really baffles me how people think "people who genuinely believes black people are an inferiors species" and "people who try to get a rise out of people fur teh lulz" are really literally exactly the same.

They're obviously not. You may have the same moral judgement about these people, and that's fine, but that's not the same as reality.

And it ABSOLUTELY matters, because if you want to do something about this then you need to actually understand the problem on a meaningful level, which includes people's motivations. You're never going to solve anything you don't understand (except, maybe, by accident).

A prime minister who fucks a goat because he's being blackmailed to do so is not the same as someone who does so for pleasure (who is different still from someone who does it for sadistic reasons). To describe all these as "simply a goatfucker" would be silly, even idiotic.

It's one of those nice-sounding one-liners that falls over with even the most superficial and casual of scrutiny.

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by arp242 »

kenjackson wrote: post #82
pgsandstrom wrote: post #66

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When I was young I could entertain myself by arguing for the flat earth theory. I never for a second believed it to be true. I simply found it entertaining to frustrate people with stupid opinions. I dont know why I found this entertaining, and I dont know why I changed when I got older. Perhaps I hadn't fully developed my empathy at that young age, so I didn't see frustration in others as something bad. But this is…

So you'd only do this to argue with others. I presume you wouldn't go to Flat Earth forums to exchange thoughts with other flat earthers??

Lost of people do that. I suspect that half of the "zomg look at these stupid flat earthers!!11" images on reddit and such is basically one troll posting something outlandish and then another troll replying with something slightly more outlandish. Also see the history of trolls on e.g. Conservapedia and such.

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by jmye »

Yugomorph wrote: post #78
jmye wrote: post #76

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These people would clearly still be virulent racists getting excuses made for them by people who desperately don’t want to believe that posting racist memes and hanging out on Stormfront make you a bad person.

Yes, but they wouldn't be getting a free marketing campaign that draws more people to their communities and their ideology if it weren't for all these professional victims being outraged by them.

Instant downvote, “Professional victim”, “outraged”… yeah, it seem like it’ll be super productive to have a conversation with you.

It’s certainly impossible that people hurt by, say, racism might have legitimate concerns about the virulent spread of more racism by actual, literal racists on 4chan. No, it’s actually black people, for instance, who dislike racism, or Jews who think anti-demotion is bad, who are to blame.

Brilliant.

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by Yugomorph »

jmye wrote: post #87
Yugomorph wrote: post #78

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Yes, but they wouldn't be getting a free marketing campaign that draws more people to their communities and their ideology if it weren't for all these professional victims being outraged by them.

Instant downvote, “Professional victim”, “outraged”… yeah, it seem like it’ll be super productive to have a conversation with you. It’s certainly impossible that people hurt by, say, racism might have legitimate concerns about the virulent spread of more racism by actual, literal racists on 4chan. No, it’s actually black people, for instance, who dislike racism, or Jews who think anti-demotion is bad, who are to blam…

Yes, they are to blame. The whole point of edgy humor is to imagine the person behind the screen fuming at the bait that you posted. By giving them what they want, you have become the punchline that they were seeking, hence encouraging them to continue posting bait and getting you outraged.
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