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Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

#81

For reference, this is not just the only player in town (for Firefox forks). There is the following: - librewolf (Desktop) [1] - Mull (Android) [2] - Iceraven (Android) [3] - Mercury (Desktop) [4] - Pulse Browser (Desktop) [5] - Waterfox (Desktop) [6] - Floorp (Desktop) [7] --> This submission - Pale Moon (Desktop) [8] - Mullvad Browser (Desktop) [9] - Tor browser (Desktop - Android) [10] This list is not inclusive.…

Note that out of these, the PaleMoon browser ( https://www.palemoon.org ) is the only real "hard" fork of Firefox. The others are all "soft" forks of Mozilla Firefox in that they all just customise some existing settings as defaults or customise the UI or integrate their own extensions of Firefox and rebrand it. The PaleMoon team however forked even Mozilla Gecko ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software) ), th…

I'm not trying to cause trouble, but it's also worth noting the PaleMoon people have stirred a fair amount of controversy in their time.

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16318820 (they later described this incident as "resistance from the BSD community to adhere to normal free software development practices")

- https://www.reddit.com/r/palemoon/comments/pexate/pale_moon_...

- https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=16504

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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post #2

What's the point of stating that "it's made in Japan"? I just don't get it. Does it have improved IME or CJK support? It's not like Japan is famous for its quality software to be honest.

People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them and being offended with an Open Source software that just want to say is it developed in Japan. Stop over thinking and just appreciate people work. And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years, so I guess there are some engineers over there.

> People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them

Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that.

> And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years

Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually because Japanese Companies have diversified into international teams.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe for someone who prefers to buy made in Japan over made in China. A made in Europe sticker would definitely appeal to me more than a made in China. At least on products that are not mass produced from established brands.

I couldn't care less where my item is produced. It just so happens that a large variety of high-end products are produced at a higher level of quality (and cost, generally) in the West (including S Korea and Japan); but if someone introduced me to a Nigerian, Mexican, Thai, etc product that surpassed my current choice, I would switch in an instant. I don't understand caring at all about the source, unless there is so…

How can you evaluate the quality of a product that was not built yet?

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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post #18
post #2

What's the point of stating that "it's made in Japan"? I just don't get it. Does it have improved IME or CJK support? It's not like Japan is famous for its quality software to be honest.

People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them and being offended with an Open Source software that just want to say is it developed in Japan. Stop over thinking and just appreciate people work. And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years, so I guess there are some engineers over there.

Nobody can't say that Japan isn't a video game powerhouse, that is for sure. But when it comes to any other kind of software...

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sort of strange to me how many Americans seem to share the same sentiment when my experience has often been the total opposite. China has some of the best factories, supply chains, and collaboration in the world. And while yes, of course, loads of intentionally cheap, low-quality goods are churned out regularly, many Chinese companies also make really solid products, often even the best products until you reach…

I think, two pertinent questions I'd like to ask (that would somewhat 'change' my reaction to your post: Are you American? Do you live in America?

Yeah, Palestinian-American; I was born in Israel with Israeli and American citizenship, but grew up mostly in Florida, did a government thing in high school that sent me to Moscow, stayed in Russia for university, and back in the U.S. now.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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post #61

Looks like Floorp in relation to Firefox is the same as Vivaldi in relation to Chrome: a fork aimed at power users with a native support for vertical tabs. Will keep an eye on it. Meanwhile, I spend several minutes trying to create a new workspace and failed to do it. It's ok, will definitely give Floorp another try when it transitions from Beta to a stable release.

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Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

#87

For reference, this is not just the only player in town (for Firefox forks). There is the following: - librewolf (Desktop) [1] - Mull (Android) [2] - Iceraven (Android) [3] - Mercury (Desktop) [4] - Pulse Browser (Desktop) [5] - Waterfox (Desktop) [6] - Floorp (Desktop) [7] --> This submission - Pale Moon (Desktop) [8] - Mullvad Browser (Desktop) [9] - Tor browser (Desktop - Android) [10] This list is not inclusive.…

Note that out of these, the PaleMoon browser ( https://www.palemoon.org ) is the only real "hard" fork of Firefox. The others are all "soft" forks of Mozilla Firefox in that they all just customise some existing settings as defaults or customise the UI or integrate their own extensions of Firefox and rebrand it. The PaleMoon team however forked even Mozilla Gecko ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software) ), th…

It's really unfortunate that the Pale Moon team are also totally unlikable, which is probably among the reasons why usage has dropped off since it was in vogue in the early-mid 2010s. This[0] issue in a WIP repo for OpenBSD always reminds me of the line in The Big Lebowski "You're not wrong Walter, you're just an asshole". It's fascinatingly hostile for little cause and a non-trivial amount of reputational damage. All in the name the vitally important cause of er... making sure there's not an implementation of Pale Moon that doesn't fully fit their license in a WIP repo.

I suspect that they don't attract the best contributors, given how hard they seem to be to work with.

[0]: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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post #31

very nice that it has option to move tabs to bottom and hide address bar automatically - what other forks has support for that? (bottom tabs - seems previously it was possible to do that for vanilla Firefox via userChrome.css but that becoming harder to do which each release)

> what other forks has support for that

Waterfox has had these features for a few years now.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that out of these, the PaleMoon browser ( https://www.palemoon.org ) is the only real "hard" fork of Firefox. The others are all "soft" forks of Mozilla Firefox in that they all just customise some existing settings as defaults or customise the UI or integrate their own extensions of Firefox and rebrand it. The PaleMoon team however forked even Mozilla Gecko ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software) ), th…

I'm not trying to cause trouble, but it's also worth noting the PaleMoon people have stirred a fair amount of controversy in their time. - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16318820 (they later described this incident as "resistance from the BSD community to adhere to normal free software development practices") - https://www.reddit.com/r/palemoon/comments/pexate/pale_moon_... - https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopi…

That is just completely opposed to the spirit of FOSS. A really sad way to treat contributors like Feodor, but a very effective way of ensuring I'll never use that fork
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