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Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by hahamrfunnyguy »

015a wrote: post #60
soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

Bumble is really similar and disgusting. By default, notifications are enabled for both messages (which are a pretty good thing to have notifications turned on for) and once or twice a day Peak Cringe marketing push notifications. They have the ability to turn off specific kinds of notifications, but one of the categories is "The Good Stuff: Turning these off means you'll miss out on our most exciting pushes of all!"…

Well, you can turn everything off except messages so I don't see it as that big of a deal. I don't install many apps on my phone so going into the app settings and turning off notifications isn't a big deal.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by gambiting »

lolinder wrote: post #75
aidos wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know how long ago that was so it’s hard to say “things are different now”, but my 11 year old can’t take the school bus without having a mobile app for her ticket.

How is that even legal? School buses are provided in part as a service to low-income families. Who decided it was okay to require parents of middle schoolers to shell out for a smart phone for their kids?

If you are on benefits you can usually(in some countries anyway) get a basic smartphone and laptop free of charge.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by smeej »

soultrees wrote: post #4

I run my phone on DND all day, everyday and block notifications from almost all apps. The amount of garbage we have vying for our attention on an hourly basis is overwhelming sometimes. The worst is the apps where you do want notifications on, like your food delivery apps so you know when your food is at the door, but those companies take that as an invite to send you daily marketing notifications and it all feels li…

I just turn notifications on for an app when I'm expecting one, and turn it back off when I'm done.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by ryandrake »

malux85 wrote: post #10
hackernewds wrote: post #2

Why just teens?

I don’t know for sure but I can guess why it would be worse for teens. During your teenage years there’s a lot more FOMO as you are trying to establish yourself in your peer group and the social hierarchy in general. This must-check-that-notification then compelled them to react to it, which generates more notifications in a feedback loop. Compare that to now, when I’m in my mid 30s, if an app generates too many noti…

I think as parents, our job is to help teach them that this FOMO is fake and unnecessary, that the perceived "social hierarchy" is meaningless and nobody will care about it after high school is over. So they don't have to wait until they are 30 to figure it out on their own.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by wallhack »

haltist wrote: post #17

Sometimes I will be having a conversation with someone and then their phone will buzz or make some sound and the person's attention will shift entirely to the phone. I don't think people realize the effect these gadgets have on their cognition. I have a phone but it is always on silent. I've decided that it is not acceptable to remotely hijack my attention. No notification on my phone sent by some corporation is ever…

Yeah, and it’s also incredibly rude. Like, we’re having lunch together in person, and mid-sentence, they disappear into their phone for minutes at a time.

I stop hanging out with these types of people. If online bullshit is more important than actual real life, what is even the point?

I leave on notifications for calls and calendar events. That’s it. Texts are silenced but appear on the lock screen. Everything else is a red dot only.

My friends point out how weird this is. But when I see multiple stacks of unread notifications on their lock screens, it seems exhausting.

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Post by swayvil »

haltist wrote: post #17

Sometimes I will be having a conversation with someone and then their phone will buzz or make some sound and the person's attention will shift entirely to the phone. I don't think people realize the effect these gadgets have on their cognition. I have a phone but it is always on silent. I've decided that it is not acceptable to remotely hijack my attention. No notification on my phone sent by some corporation is ever…

Why is the phone always automatically higher priority than the guy you're talking to?

Seems messed up. What's the psychology with that?

Is it a FOMO thing? Should we feel insulted?

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Post by nonrandomstring »

michaelchisari wrote: post #71
thenerdhead wrote: post #34

Jonathan Haidt has done a great job advocating this problem and is writing a book coming out this next year called "The Anxious Generation": https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/phone-free-schools https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/sapien-smartphone-repor... https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/social-media-mental-ill... This isn't something that can be solved with "better tech". It is something that is solved with…

The Burnout Society by Byung-Chul Han addresses this as well.

So I'll advocate "Stolen Focus" by Johann Hari [0] and my "Digtal Vegan" [1]

Johann's book has some surprises toward the end, that go way deeper into environmental and cultural factors. He ultimately sees it as a collective/societal problem with collective solutions. Mine tries to advocate for mindful control and rejection of toxic tech and makes it a more individual battle.

[0] https://stolenfocusbook.com/

[1] https://digitalvegan.net/

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by aidos »

lolinder wrote: post #75
aidos wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know how long ago that was so it’s hard to say “things are different now”, but my 11 year old can’t take the school bus without having a mobile app for her ticket.

How is that even legal? School buses are provided in part as a service to low-income families. Who decided it was okay to require parents of middle schoolers to shell out for a smart phone for their kids?

As far as I can tell, someone has “digitised” the local buses by adding tracking and cashless payments to go along with the mobile app.

They’ve also fragmented the services even more in the process since each bus company has their own version of the app (it’s just a skinning of the base app). It means I need to check back and forth between two apps to see which buses are on time. Naturally you can only buy a pass that only works on one bus route. The ux is pretty garbage.

Dealing with public transport in rural England definitely made me appreciate the seamlessness of transport in London.

Re: Teens inundated with phone prompts day and night, research finds

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Post by swayvil »

MichaelRo wrote: post #38

My kid (soon to be 11 years old) has this problem and is (almost) driving me nuts. There are three causes of this: 1) He's dumb. Will click and install on any crap he comes by. 2) He doesn't know to operate his phone. Every now and then I take his phone and turn off notifications for the apps I saw that popped them. #3: This one's mysterious to me as well. Somehow they (the notifications) get re-enabled back. I'm dis…

Could you get him a dumber phone? Maybe one of those minimalist e-ink phones. They're nice.
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