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Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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TeMPOraL wrote: post #33
sgu999 wrote: post #30

Dairy milk straight of a cow doesn't look at all like what we can buy in a supermarket, and home made soya milk is very easy to do. I wouldn't bet on which one is the most "processed" by the industry. Alpro is obviously doing its share of lobbying, but here in France a law was passed to forbid the term "milk" for plant based milk. Soya "milk" isn't allowed on labels for instance. All across Asia everyone knows what i…

> but here in France a law was passed to forbid the term "milk" for plant based milk. Soya "milk" isn't allowed on labels anymore for instance. Even though all across Asia everyone knows what it is, us French are apparently too dumb and would be confused. Good. I'm all for such laws. Soya "milk" isn't "milk" as the term has been culturally understood for millennia. It's not that people are dumb, but rather that words…

> will assume that "soy milk" is like normal milk because it's called "soy milk"

I may be elitist, but I'd put that in the "dumb" category. I'm also not a parent so didn't look into babies nutrition yet, but I suspect feeding them anything but infant milk as a replacement for the mother's milk isn't going to do much good. Going in this direction, let's remove "milk" from all the products that aren't suitable. "skimmed milk", "chocolate milk", etc. ;)

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Post by sgu999 »

shrubble wrote: post #74
myshpa wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's because the meat and dairy industry wants to maintain the status quo. If it were for the reasons you listed, they'd require labeling it as "cow's milk" instead of just "milk".

Redefining the meaning of words to be less specific, rather than more specific, about what you are selling people is what people have a problem with. Every kind of loophole is exploited, when allowed.

It's also quite simple to allow the term "milk" as a substitute for "dairy milk" but not for "soy milk". As it had been the case since plant-based milks have been around...

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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throwaway2990 wrote: post #78
myshpa wrote: post #66

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> You have to remember soy milk is basically the left over shit from making tofu. All the healthy shit is left in the pulp including the flavour. Not true. First, you make soy milk by rehydrating soybeans, blending them with water, cooking the mixture, and then straining it. The remains are called okara. If you add a coagulant to the milk and cook it further, you'll get tofu curds, from which tofu is made. The remain…

> Not all 100% natural soy milk is considered distasteful by everyone; taste is subjective. Obviously or they wouldn’t sell it. Doesn’t change the fact majority of it has added sugar and is unhealthy and worse than full cream milk.

> and is unhealthy and worse than full cream milk

Dairy is scary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI

Derived from a bovine's udder, cow milk is essentially a white, viscous secretion containing fats, hormones, bioaccumulated pesticides and herbicides, and sometimes pus and blood from infected teats, all filtered through a mammary gland that often comes into contact with dirt and feces during the extraction process.

Cow milk, routinely touted as a wholesome beverage, can legally contain up to 400 million somatic cells (often referred to as pus) per milliliter in the U.S., and traces of blood, all originating from inflamed and possibly infected bovine udders, making one wonder about the purity of the seemingly innocent white liquid.

Cow's milk also naturally contains hormones, including Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, estrogens, progesterone, prolactin, and oxytocin; also some cows receive artificial hormones like rBST to enhance production; when consumed regularly, those hormones may impact the growth and reproductive functions of consumers.

In the relentless cycle of dairy production, cows endure forced impregnation and a shortened lifespan — typically 5 years instead of the potential 25+. The record lifespan for a cow is 48 years. Newborn males are typically culled immediately, while females are separated from their mothers shortly after birth, crying for each other usually for weeks.

And we haven't addressed the land needs and environmental impact of dairy production. This includes deforestation for pastures, high water use, greenhouse gas emissions from cows, runoff of pesticides and fertilizers polluting water, and contributions to soil degradation and biodiversity loss.

But sure, soy mik is worse ;)

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Post by throwaway2990 »

myshpa wrote: post #83
throwaway2990 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not all 100% natural soy milk is considered distasteful by everyone; taste is subjective. Obviously or they wouldn’t sell it. Doesn’t change the fact majority of it has added sugar and is unhealthy and worse than full cream milk.

> and is unhealthy and worse than full cream milk Dairy is scary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI Derived from a bovine's udder, cow milk is essentially a white, viscous secretion containing fats, hormones, bioaccumulated pesticides and herbicides, and sometimes pus and blood from infected teats, all filtered through a mammary gland that often comes into contact with dirt and feces during the extraction p…

lol in the US. The 2 places to avoid food from is the US and China. I would never drink milk from America. I mean this is the same country that makes all its bread with sugar! LOL.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Post by myshpa »

throwaway2990 wrote: post #84
myshpa wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and is unhealthy and worse than full cream milk Dairy is scary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI Derived from a bovine's udder, cow milk is essentially a white, viscous secretion containing fats, hormones, bioaccumulated pesticides and herbicides, and sometimes pus and blood from infected teats, all filtered through a mammary gland that often comes into contact with dirt and feces during the extraction p…

lol in the US. The 2 places to avoid food from is the US and China. I would never drink milk from America. I mean this is the same country that makes all its bread with sugar! LOL.

> lol in the US

It's the same almost everywhere.

- European Union: The limit set for raw cow's milk is 400,000 somatic cells per milliliter.

- Canada: The limit is set at 400,000 cells per milliliter.

- Australia: The limit is 500,000 cells per milliliter for milk intended for human consumption.

- New Zealand: The limit is 400,000 cells per milliliter.

- India: Standards can vary, but the limit often set is 500,000 cells per milliliter.

- Brazil: The limit is 500,000 cells per milliliter for Grade A milk.

Re: Labelling soya foods as ultra-processed is unhelpful

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Post by throwaway2990 »

myshpa wrote: post #85
throwaway2990 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol in the US. The 2 places to avoid food from is the US and China. I would never drink milk from America. I mean this is the same country that makes all its bread with sugar! LOL.

> lol in the US It's the same almost everywhere. - European Union: The limit set for raw cow's milk is 400,000 somatic cells per milliliter. - Canada: The limit is set at 400,000 cells per milliliter. - Australia: The limit is 500,000 cells per milliliter for milk intended for human consumption. - New Zealand: The limit is 400,000 cells per milliliter. - India: Standards can vary, but the limit often set is 500,000 c…

Spoken like someone who has never had milk outside of the U.S.
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