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Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

#81

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Western society peaked in the 80s so maybe we should listen to some of the arguments from back then.

Things may look like they were working better in hindsight, but we just hadn't started choking to death on all of the unchecked externalities yet.

Maybe thats the real evolutionary path going on, as we humans grow to have a more temporally aware mindset. That ability to see how past actions effected the future hopefully allows for more predictive capabilities.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly is that better the two mothers? Do you have evidence?

I would be very surprised if GP thought that only father/mother combos are the best and instead was just agreeing with TFA.

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Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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Given the rising costs of housing/living, it's going to take 3-4 working adults to fund a home before long. A 1-2 income household will become ever more of a luxury.

Eliminating ownership of homes by investors should be a policy goal.

Or we could increase supply. A very small percentage of SFHs is owned by investors and those are still red out which fills a some needs that buying a home doesn't. The solution is to build, build, build. That's gonna bring prices down and houses will naturally become a less attractive investment. They shouldn't be a investment object anyways, just like food shouldn't be.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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The tax credits for married people here in the US seem to be part of this type of policy, no?

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When only one of the people has an income, there's definitely a benefit for married-filing-jointly over MFS or being unmarried.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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Nothing better than a father and mother in a stable, loving relationship for a child. Yes, let’s encourage this.

It’s not a universal good. It’s often good (I grew up this way, as did most of my friends and we’re mostly fine), but the nuclear family is also sometimes a breeding ground for the worst abuses. Insisting on it, giving it special privilege gives privilege to those abuses. Kids absolutely benefit from stable, nurturing surroundings. But that could take so many other forms: multi-generational families, co-parenting, “i…

> but the nuclear family is also sometimes a breeding ground for the worst abuses. Insisting on it, giving it special privilege gives privilege to those abuses.

I doubt you will be able to prove, or show, that the nuclear family has even slightly higher rates of abuse per 100,000 than any of the other modern forms of family you have suggested. Until ~2013 with the legalization of gay marriage when it then became an unmentionable issue, even left-wing websites like The Atlantic, and mainstream publications like the BBC, were warning about how domestic abuse in LGBTQ relationships is at least possibly higher than a traditional marriage.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/a-same-se...

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29994648

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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Serious question: why not three parent? Does every stable relationship involve sexual aspects? Seems like an article stating an obvious fact but missing the bigger picture

In non-nuclear families, the third "parent" is normally an uncle, aunt, or grandparent that can provide additional financial support and babysitting options for the two parents. This is common in many countries where multiple generations of extended families live in the same house or neighborhood.

My in laws live literally a block away and watch our kids multiple times a week. The girls sleep over there sometimes too.

In no way are either of them a third 'parent'. This idea that grandparents and aunts and uncles can actually be a third parent has to die. No one who actually lives in these situations is confused as to who's who.

We lived with my grandparents as children and while again, we loved them very much and they watched and cared for us like parents... The relationship is fundamentally different.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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post #30

Nothing better than a father and mother in a stable, loving relationship for a child. Yes, let’s encourage this.

How exactly is that better the two mothers? Do you have evidence?

Seems like raising a kid requires exposing them to many different experiences growing up, and generally speaking fathers will provide different experiences mothers.

Do I have evidence? No.

Do you have any evidence that any other form of parenting is just as good?

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

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The problem with two-parent is you're a single misstep away from one-parent. Multi-generational and communal households would be more resilient, and easier to accommodate via tax incentives and housing policy.

A multi generational household occurs naturally when grandma and grandpa had a stable two parent households and now mom and dad do too. Moreover, it's not necessary to force everyone in the same house. My parents and inlaws are within 20 minutes. It's great and since they are both married and happy, there's little family stress and the kids get ample time with both grandparents. God forbid, if anything were to happen…

> A multi generational household occurs naturally when grandma and grandpa had a stable two parent households and now mom and dad do too.

More importantly, young people need a reason not to move hundreds or thousands of miles away from their stable household. Investing in community resources, local economies, and infrastructure that promotes health and opportunity are all necessary.

Re: Two-parent households should be a policy goal

#90
post #9

Serious question: why not three parent? Does every stable relationship involve sexual aspects? Seems like an article stating an obvious fact but missing the bigger picture

Or more to the point, lean heavily into "it takes a village to raise a child".

What that means is that it takes parents and extended family and the close-knit community you'd find from a church and from schools, for example. Millions of people do this today. It's odd to see people think this is a revelation or something.
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