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Or use whatever YouTube-dl is called now.
I feel this comment in my very core. I have an unusually hard time remembering “yt-dlp”. Glad I’m not the only one
I created a shell alias.
I think I kind of hate lazy loading
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Re: I think I kind of hate lazy loading
#82Subway riders are a corner case. The amount of energy, bandwidth, resources saved with lazy loading must be staggering.
Travellers may someday (and some do now) look back on losing signal with fondness. A time to reflect, meditate, plan, create, stop consuming for a little while, a welcome break.
Re: I think I kind of hate lazy loading
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They do that on purpose.
It’s a data driven decision. They a/b tested and found users were more interested in clicking on ads when images were lazy loaded.
Or a more mundane reason: You need to add the dimensions to the image to reserve the page side and prevent skipping. That takes extra effort and is not something people think about. If there are any places that a/b tested changing layouts specifically, I expect it's extremely few. It's much easier to make the background a clickable ad area and some pages do that explicitly.
Re: I think I kind of hate lazy loading
#84I generally dislike lazy loading. My time is almost always worth more than data transfer costs, so I'd much rather load up a bunch of stuff I might not see so that in the office chance I fast scroll down the page I don't have to wait for anything.
You're thinking of your own costs; the developer is more likely thinking of their own than yours.
As a developer adding lazy loading... nah. The motivation is more about prioritising resources. I want some images to load after everything else to free up the bandwidth for now critical resources. If I had the option of "when the connection is idle for 2s", instead of the current implementation of "lazy", I'd use that.
I'm sure there are some other services which are more image heavy and will save some money this way, but it's not the only reason.
Re: I think I kind of hate lazy loading
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That has nothing to do with the complaint here.
I thought this was the reason behind increasing use of lazy loading, especially in the context of non-live data like images and text
No, it's a traffic optimization to avoid loading images you don't see until they are visible on the page.
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How are they inspecting your network traffic?
They aren't going to see behind the TLS curtain, but they would see (assuming no DNS encryption) a domain name lookup followed by various traffic patterns; either: Bursts (page loads) with near silence in between, maybe just some non-human-triggered traffic from scripts that poll. Bursts (page loads) with quite a bit more of a human-triggered cadence in between, if lazy loading during scrolling occurs. But mouse-trac…
I don't care. At some point the law of diminishing returns makes some bit of exfiltration of user interaction pointless to worry about.
Re: I think I kind of hate lazy loading
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If only we could progressively enhance a page rather than stunt them via lazy loading.
Image-wise, isn't GIF capable of that? I remember back in the dialup days some image type would be quickly visible but very pixelated, then slowly get more detail as more of the image downloaded.
The JPEG standard includes an option for displaying images progressively so that you see large blocks of color that continue to refine into more pixels as the image downloads. In the mid 90's on a 14.4K modem you had plenty of time to watch this happen. I miss the effect, but fortunately most connections are now fast enough where the intermediate step wouldn't be noticeable for a single image.
Re: I think I kind of hate lazy loading
#88Seems fixable at the standards level. The spec could define `loading="lazy"` as a (strong) hint for the client, but not a rule. Meanwhile, clients should allow disabling lazy loading. (The same way a valid client can disable Javascript, for instance.)
This is only a partial solution as no more than a tiny minority would think to actually disable lazy loading. But at least there would be an option for the author and others who operate in contexts where the lazy loading is harmful.
Re: I think I kind of hate lazy loading
#89> There's no way to disable Lazy Loading on […] Android Firefox.
about:config
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#90Hardly any app is designed for subway riders. If they were, we'd have widespread preloading (like half an hour of tweets pre-loaded), seamless delayed posting (sending a new post when the internet comes back online), and visibility into what's downloading and uploading so users can make informed choices. As with all accessibility affordances, this will help people beyond the targeted group - like air travelers, folks…
It's the subway where you are that's not designed for apps.
On Korean subways I stream video at max res throughout the ride.