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Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Re: Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Post by mobilejdral »

deaddodo wrote: post #70
mobilejdral wrote: post #67

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And there it is, you think being a housewife contributes nothing. In your own words they were doing half of the housework, but evidently that contributes nothing and was a "free ride". > Mostly since I was spending the majority of my hard earned money on them sitting on their ass watching TV or going to museums and cafes with friends. And the majority of my time supporting their lifestyle. And again it is adorable th…

> And again it is adorable that you think it was your money. Legally married as you found out when you divorced, money earned during marriage is legally owned by both and split. It's adorable you think we were married. They got nothing in the break up other than a lost ride and a one-way ticket to a deadend job. Oh, and a dog they tried abandoning on the streets a couple months later. Real upstanding person you're de…

> deserve to stay at home and do nothing

Good luck with that. It is clear how you value that work.

Re: Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Post by darth_avocado »

nataliste wrote: post #79
darth_avocado wrote: post #76

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> It's just a choice most people don't want to make Buddy, in California, you need $208K of income to just QUALIFY for a mortgage for a median house. [1] No matter how much frugality people live in, most people won’t even come close to that number on a single income. Average car payments are $700+ a month and $500+ on used one. [2] Average cost of a 4 year attendance in a public college is $100k and for a private col…

(In California)

Only the mortgage is from California, rest of the numbers are average in United States. People are still paying $1000 monthly payments for their trucks in Arkansas.

Re: Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Post by darth_avocado »

nataliste wrote: post #79
darth_avocado wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's just a choice most people don't want to make Buddy, in California, you need $208K of income to just QUALIFY for a mortgage for a median house. [1] No matter how much frugality people live in, most people won’t even come close to that number on a single income. Average car payments are $700+ a month and $500+ on used one. [2] Average cost of a 4 year attendance in a public college is $100k and for a private col…

(In California)

Not really. Sure, the mortgage number is California specific, but it’s not much lower in the whole country and the rest of the numbers are for the whole country. You also should take a look at the BLS numbers I shared and you’d know it’s not pretty elsewhere either.

Re: Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Post by deaddodo »

mobilejdral wrote: post #81
deaddodo wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And again it is adorable that you think it was your money. Legally married as you found out when you divorced, money earned during marriage is legally owned by both and split. It's adorable you think we were married. They got nothing in the break up other than a lost ride and a one-way ticket to a deadend job. Oh, and a dog they tried abandoning on the streets a couple months later. Real upstanding person you're de…

> deserve to stay at home and do nothing Good luck with that. It is clear how you value that work.

And it's clear how little value you offer.

Re: Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

Yujf wrote: post #23
gustavus wrote: post #12

Does this surprise anyone this has been the way households have been structured for millennia, even among the elite aristocrats of ancient Rome, or Egyptian dynastys there would always the woman was primarily responsible for the running of the home, which despite what it sounds like could be quite a daunting affair, similar on the level of running a small business. I couldn't do what I do without my wife, she is just…

How is it not liberating to not be dependant on another human being for everything?

It's liberating to give yourself entirely to another person, to make a supreme act of trust and faith and love, to say to that person that he is everything in your life now, and you forsake all others, because he is worthy of your trust and faith and love. It is liberating to be protected, to be cherished, to be placed on a pedestal. It is liberating to have someone who will lay down his life for you and your children. It is liberating to promise to each other that you will stay together, in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer; that is liberation from worry, from doubt, from fear. It is liberation from want or need or desolation, because no matter what happens in the family's life, you will have each other. It is liberating to come together in complementarity, to each take half of the duties and rights and responsibilities of a marriage, and to be able to complete one another in terms of household responsibilities, child rearing, earning income, social activities.

I've seen some rather un-liberated comments above, such as "oh no! we could never make it as a family on a single income! both spouses need to work... or else!" "who can afford children in this economy? we're DINKs for life; we barely get by!" so it's rather apparent to me who is enslaved.

Re: Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Post by [deleted] »

mobilejdral wrote: post #67
deaddodo wrote: post #45

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I didn't expect anything from them. Way to perfectly encapsulate the entitled gaslighter/perpetual victim. Glad to know that, in your mind, it's perfectly valid for someone to contribute nothing and expect a free ride. They just decided they wanted to be a traditional housespouse. I certainly would have liked them to contribute something to the household, like walking the dog that they went and got of their own accor…

And there it is, you think being a housewife contributes nothing. In your own words they were doing half of the housework, but evidently that contributes nothing and was a "free ride". > Mostly since I was spending the majority of my hard earned money on them sitting on their ass watching TV or going to museums and cafes with friends. And the majority of my time supporting their lifestyle. And again it is adorable th…

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Re: Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Post by [deleted] »

mobilejdral wrote: post #67
deaddodo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't expect anything from them. Way to perfectly encapsulate the entitled gaslighter/perpetual victim. Glad to know that, in your mind, it's perfectly valid for someone to contribute nothing and expect a free ride. They just decided they wanted to be a traditional housespouse. I certainly would have liked them to contribute something to the household, like walking the dog that they went and got of their own accor…

And there it is, you think being a housewife contributes nothing. In your own words they were doing half of the housework, but evidently that contributes nothing and was a "free ride". > Mostly since I was spending the majority of my hard earned money on them sitting on their ass watching TV or going to museums and cafes with friends. And the majority of my time supporting their lifestyle. And again it is adorable th…

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Re: Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Post by deaddodo »

sharts wrote: post #61
deaddodo wrote: post #15

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I had the opposite problem, my ex wanted to be taken care of and not have to work (traditional housespouse); but they expected me to do half of the housework (or more, in the case of the dogs they wanted). I would work 8-10hrs a day, then spend another 1.5ish walking dogs and .5-1ish doing house chores. After I was done, I would have to listen to them complain about how exhausted they were mopping the floors. When I…

I have been there as well. Happy to be single. When it gets lonely I think back to how it could be and then carry on.

My favorite part of it all is that I described almost the exact scenario she was seeking sympathy for (doing over half of the housework and having to provide solely for the relationship) and her instant response was me being a misogynist who devalued housework, based on her preconceived biases.

It never seemed to click that I was LGBT and describing a relationship with a man.

The hypocrisy runs deep in some.

Re: Housewives Are One Surprising Solution to “Millennial Burnout”

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Post by mechagodzilla »

yummypaint wrote: post #80
mechagodzilla wrote: post #28

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Even if you were actually at a pure breakeven for the stay-at-home partner for the first year: * Childcare costs decrease with age, and decrease substantially when your child reaches school age. Full-time childcare costs are typically only for the first 3-4 years of a child's life. * Even if you break even in terms of take-home pay, a stay-at-home parent that was previously working might be missing out on things like…

It seems to me that attempting to frame spending time with one's family as "incredibly short-sighted" is a perfect example of the "total-work" mentality the article decries. In that case, under what circumstances would you say a person shouldn't feel guilty about seeing their kids when they could be working?

You can choose to place a high value on spending time with one's family, and that's fine, but that's very different than making the "incredibly short-sighted" economic decision to quit your job because of very temporarily high childcare costs. For many people that decision is worth it, but everyone should be aware that the economic cost of it is actually quite high - relatively few if any professional careers can be 'put on hold' for 1-2 decades and then resumed without great difficulty.
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