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New LoRa RF distance record

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Re: New LoRa RF distance record

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This has nothing to do with low-rank approximation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoRa

> This has nothing to do with low-rank approximation. Literal-minded people are an endless source of joy.

With all the naive AI zealotry on HN can you really fault me?

They're referring to this:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.09685

Re: New LoRa RF distance record

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Could the signal bounce off airplanes as well, or is that effect not relevant in practice? (I think I've heard such stories before from radio amateurs...)

It can bounce off of meteor trails or the moon. It's been done many times in the ham community. Signals do bounce off of aircraft too, there are even passive military radars that track airborne objects using DVB-T or other strong signal reflections. It could be used if the conditions are just right. All of this has really nothing to do with LoRa and everything to do with physical properties of the emissions (frequenc…

The path loss for moonbounce is approximately 390 dB. You're not doing that by accident. In addition to using weak signal modes, you'll need directional antennas and lots of power to overcome that.

Re: New LoRa RF distance record

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> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

Yes, I'm aware of that but: in this case it's plain obvious.

Re: New LoRa RF distance record

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> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

Yes, I'm aware of that but: in this case it's plain obvious.

"Plain obvious" is an argument that it's not astroturfing.

It's a link to a blog on the company site, linked by someone whose profile clearly discloses they're CEO of the company. (though based on comments below, the disclosure in profile might be an hour more recent than the post itself).

Personally, I find this interesting, on-topic, and (after the profile edit, if any) totally fine.

Re: New LoRa RF distance record

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This seems bizarre to me, as this isn't astroturfing at all - it's a marketing post on the official company blog! There's no suggestion whatsoever that this is coming from raw grassroots enthusiasm. This is clearly marketing content directly from the business itself. To be clear, that's fine! This is definitely interesting content, and companies with genuinely interesting things to share should share them directly, t…

Posted to HN, by an account that isn't clearly affiliated with the content, most likely upvotes by a bunch of company people, and from a company that has a history of using public resources like marketing channels.

As for whether or not this is fine: yes, it's fine. "Show HN: We reached a new RF distance record with LoRa" from an account associated with the company.

Re: New LoRa RF distance record

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Yes, I'm aware of that but: in this case it's plain obvious.

"Plain obvious" is an argument that it's not astroturfing . It's a link to a blog on the company site, linked by someone whose profile clearly discloses they're CEO of the company. (though based on comments below, the disclosure in profile might be an hour more recent than the post itself). Personally, I find this interesting, on-topic, and (after the profile edit, if any) totally fine.

So, in your opinion plain obvious astroturfing can never be astroturfing?

It's obvious to me because (1) I'm aware of the company, (2) know that there have been issues with their WP entries in the past (and still are, they are essentially marketing copy), and finally (3) because it just so happens that the company is Dutch and I keep an eye on the local eco-system. But it probably wasn't that obvious to you.

These guys have nice tech, but they are working the web in a way that doesn't sit right with me. If you're ok with this then no problem, let's see how you feel when HN and WP are overrun by advertising that masquerades as organic postings.

Re: New LoRa RF distance record

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The submitter is a low karma anonymous account that just so happens to match the last name of the CEO of the company, so it isn't disclosed. Also this shot up on the 'new' page suggesting more than one company vote, this isn't the first time this happens with that particular domain either. Similar stuff is happening on Wikipedia, read the talk page there (and the LoRa page) to see what I'm getting at.

Are comments really the best place to hash this out? Why not just flag and move on. People don't need to disclose who they are when submitting things to HN. Hell, I used to have a pretty comprehensive bio, until I replaced it with an icloud relay email because random internet people would look me up outside HN and try to dig up stuff to use as ammo in response to comments I posted that they disagreed with. HN can be…

> People don't need to disclose who they are when submitting things to HN.

Companies aren't people. That's one of those things I just don't subscribe to. If you are the CEO of a company and you are engaging in what can only be termed as marketing activities, effectively advertising your company I think you should be up front about that. Otherwise you can no longer see the difference between organic interest in a technology and marketing push, which are two entirely different things.

Re: New LoRa RF distance record

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This is a truly awesome resource - thanks for sharing that! I'll be getting the retro computing crew, that is forming around our new exhibit at the Retro Gaming Museum, excited about this! Who knows, maybe we will have a retro- net up and running in the next few days ..

Go for it! These communities are pretty active so you can also join one of their events.

Definitely going to try to attend the next one .. thanks for the heads up!
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