Terrifyng to me.
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Human embryo models grown from stem cells
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Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells
#82The hard part of children is the womb and available parents, not creating an embryo. The UK needs to finish their artificial womb work.
Why wouldn't the state raise them? We've been moving away from the traditional family.
Moving away from the traditional family has detrimental effects for the children. See this Wikipedia page and it's citations for a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_absence
Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells
#83The hard part of children is the womb and available parents, not creating an embryo. The UK needs to finish their artificial womb work.
Why wouldn't the state raise them? We've been moving away from the traditional family.
no, we haven't. that's a view held by 0.00001% of the population in a handful of western countries
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Nothing I said had anything to do with if these were viable or could be made viable, just that they aren’t direct equivalents. People could be up in arms if hypothetically 50% of these where viable, but the nonviable 50% would still cause errors when compared to human embryos. Alternatively, 100% could be viable and they could still be different in critical ways from natural human embryos resulting in universally lat…
You don’t appear to be able to say anything helpful about what “model” means in this discussion. The only explicit claim you made (that they were different because they would have been implanted in a womb for a week already) was incorrect. Some would likely have been implanted for a day.
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Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing I said had anything to do with if these were viable or could be made viable, just that they aren’t direct equivalents. People could be up in arms if hypothetically 50% of these where viable, but the nonviable 50% would still cause errors when compared to human embryos. Alternatively, 100% could be viable and they could still be different in critical ways from natural human embryos resulting in universally lat…
You don’t appear to be able to say anything helpful about what “model” means in this discussion. The only explicit claim you made (that they were different because they would have been implanted in a womb for a week already) was incorrect. Some would likely have been implanted for a day.
Your timeline is off, the egg can take nearly 2 weeks to implant but that requires a delay in fertilization. This 14 day timeline is specifically in reference to fertilization not the release of the egg.
The discrepancy exists because people can track the day of ovulation and hormonal changes from implantation but actual fertilization has no obvious signs, unless your doing IVF or something and looking at the actual egg.
That said, extreme outliers may exist but that’s not what we’re talking about.
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We are biochemical, biomechanical machines already. We just don't teach it.
I recommend studying metaphysics. Scientism and its presumed mechanistic metaphysics are not coherent.
Metaphysics looks like a lot of vacuous garbage to me; the sort of vacuous garbage that people use as intelectual mimicry.
It is nevertheless worth looking at - in order to know what to avoid.
Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells
#87Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells
#88The hard part of children is the womb and available parents, not creating an embryo. The UK needs to finish their artificial womb work.
The truly hard part is raising them to be decent human beings. There is more to procreation than fertilization and carrying to term. While an artificial womb could be very useful as a medical device to save the life of the child, in vitro/ex vivo methods of reproduction only entrench human alienation. Support for them bespeaks an absence of a sound philosophical anthropology. And I mean not just the alienation of the…
"in vitro/ex vivo methods of reproduction only entrench human alienation"
I absolutely disagree with your view. Infertility is a medical condition much like cataract or myocardial infarction.
In my view, it is profoundly unethical to deny unhealthy people efficient treatment of their disease for philosophical reasons. You are straying dangerously close to the "life unworthy of life" eugenics that is, fortunately, overcome. Trying to ban other people from procreating because your personal opinion on the necessary means is "phew, icky" (and for all the grand words in your comment, you basically say "phew, icky"), sounds like it is you who hasn't taken any lessons from the experience of the collective West.
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If metaphysics were real, it'd just be called physics.
Physics is about matter. If you were only matter, you'd have no free will.
We are only matter. But "only" is great way to devalue something pretty fucking amazing. Consider that you are using matter right now to think.
Re: Human embryo models grown from stem cells
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
The truly hard part is raising them to be decent human beings. There is more to procreation than fertilization and carrying to term. While an artificial womb could be very useful as a medical device to save the life of the child, in vitro/ex vivo methods of reproduction only entrench human alienation. Support for them bespeaks an absence of a sound philosophical anthropology. And I mean not just the alienation of the…
"in vitro/ex vivo methods of reproduction only entrench human alienation" I absolutely disagree with your view. Infertility is a medical condition much like cataract or myocardial infarction. In my view, it is profoundly unethical to deny unhealthy people efficient treatment of their disease for philosophical reasons. You are straying dangerously close to the "life unworthy of life" eugenics that is, fortunately, ove…
There's a chasm between banning people from procreating and not going to extraordinary lengths to guarantee them their own biological offspring. That type of bate and switch is used for other medically and transactionally complex situations that future humans have to deal with.