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Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by imtringued »

sytelus wrote: post #20
lifeisstillgood wrote: post #9

I was reading a book hoping to work out how to derive E=mc2. My idea was to go from being about 400 years behind science to merely being 100 years behind. This sort of reporting makes me realise those 100 years are not linear. I had to go check that this was real - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41557-023-01300-3 , because it could have as easily been a marketing site for the next Marvel movie for all I could groun…

This is really a bad idea to study anything. Actually this is what sets aside naïve hobbyist interested in Physics vs someone studying Physics systematically and efficiently as part of PhD program. I did this mistake repeatedly. I started with annotated version of Newton's Principia, spent about a year just pulling my hair and gave up to realize how much time I had lost in all kind of minutia, noise and random things…

This reminds me of how nobody reads Keynes and everyone has read Hick's interpretation of Keynes instead. Except in this situation there is quite a large discrepancy between the two.

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by TheRealPomax »

verisimi wrote: post #61

You've got to love the declaration at the end of the article: > The research was supported by grants from the US Office of Naval Research; the US Army Research Office Laboratory for Physical Sciences; the US Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity; Lockheed Martin; the Australian Defence Science and Technology Group, Sydney Quantum; a University of Sydney-University of California San Diego Partnership Collab…

Sure, but you're using the internet, courtesy of military-funded research, using electricity that's been routed through distribution and substations that exist thanks to military-funded research, travel places based on GPS, courtesy of direct military research, your modern life is only possible because just like everyone else, the military has a budget allocated for researching computing and electronics advances that they can use, which invariably translates to things the private sector can use.

So what's your point?

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by TheRealPomax »

DennisP wrote: post #57
syspec wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's literally not

There's always someone who doesn't know all the dictionary meanings of "magic." From Google's copy of the Oxford English dictionary: - a quality that makes something seem removed from everyday life, especially in a way that gives delight. - something that has a delightfully unusual quality. - very effective in producing results, especially desired ones. - (informal, British) wonderful; exciting.

So it doesn't tick any of those boxes expect maybe half of the first? Sounds like it's literally not magic.

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by DennisP »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #83
DennisP wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's always someone who doesn't know all the dictionary meanings of "magic." From Google's copy of the Oxford English dictionary: - a quality that makes something seem removed from everyday life, especially in a way that gives delight. - something that has a delightfully unusual quality. - very effective in producing results, especially desired ones. - (informal, British) wonderful; exciting.

So it doesn't tick any of those boxes expect maybe half of the first? Sounds like it's literally not magic.

I'd say all of them but YMMV.

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by verisimi »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #82
verisimi wrote: post #61

You've got to love the declaration at the end of the article: > The research was supported by grants from the US Office of Naval Research; the US Army Research Office Laboratory for Physical Sciences; the US Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity; Lockheed Martin; the Australian Defence Science and Technology Group, Sydney Quantum; a University of Sydney-University of California San Diego Partnership Collab…

Sure, but you're using the internet, courtesy of military-funded research, using electricity that's been routed through distribution and substations that exist thanks to military-funded research, travel places based on GPS, courtesy of direct military research, your modern life is only possible because just like everyone else, the military has a budget allocated for researching computing and electronics advances that…

Well, it does make it clear that human advancement is along the terms set by military diktat - there's nothing natural about it.

Why should we be worried that the military fund the internet, quantum computing, etc? Can there be any reason for concern?

Could it be that the military is less concerned about external threats, but way more concerned about managing internal ones? And that funding technology to create a technocratic panopticon has been long in the making? If directing technology towards technocratic infrastructure, such goals are really pretty complete, when you think about it.. Surely only a couple more elections before it is switched on, if that.

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by NikolaNovak »

bawolff wrote: post #80
NikolaNovak wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then I have not explained myself correctly. If I take a philosophy class, I can talk to teacher, discuss things,explore questions and Contradictions. And I do :-). When Plato says "let us all agree there exists a perfect blue independent of any real world blue", I want to argue that no, "blue" is a human construct and dependent on accidental biology. We can't even make sure thay we all experience the same blue and wh…

> When Plato says "let us all agree there exists a perfect blue independent of any real world blue", I want to argue that no, "blue" is a human construct and dependent on accidental biology. Assuming some premise for the sake of an argument is not just a plato thing, and its not particularly relavent if the specific premise is true.

Oh for sure but I think it's a spectrum.

I find it most productive when the assumption is asked and granted for something uncertain, interpretable, subjective, etc. Or when we are just having fun :-)

If a) you are building a serious proposedmodel of reality and b) start with something demonstrably false, I'd have to be in a pretty specific mood to go with it :-D

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by TheRealPomax »

DennisP wrote: post #84
TheRealPomax wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it doesn't tick any of those boxes expect maybe half of the first? Sounds like it's literally not magic.

I'd say all of them but YMMV.

When was the last time quantum physics sparked delight in a member of the general public? Sorry, let me rephrase: has there even been a first time?

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by TheRealPomax »

verisimi wrote: post #85
TheRealPomax wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but you're using the internet, courtesy of military-funded research, using electricity that's been routed through distribution and substations that exist thanks to military-funded research, travel places based on GPS, courtesy of direct military research, your modern life is only possible because just like everyone else, the military has a budget allocated for researching computing and electronics advances that…

Well, it does make it clear that human advancement is along the terms set by military diktat - there's nothing natural about it. Why should we be worried that the military fund the internet, quantum computing, etc? Can there be any reason for concern? Could it be that the military is less concerned about external threats, but way more concerned about managing internal ones? And that funding technology to create a tec…

There's nothing natural about modern society, so again: what's your point? Because not being natural is kinda of literally the whole point of society itself: we removed ourselves from "the natural order of things" because that allowed us to kick progress into higher gear.

You live in a highly curated society brought to you by, for an incredibly long period of time, military advances making its way into civilian life. (Does that mean only military advances? Of course not, don't pretend that ∃A, A→B means ∄ C, C→B)

Especially since, and this is something people seem to forget, the US military actually works for the US. Unlike congress or the NSA, it doesn't give a shit about oppressing fellow Americans, it literally funds projects it knows will benefit progress. Sure, it funds whackjob cultists like Raytheon too, because they need weapons for playing war, but the vast majority of US military research is actually for things that benefit everyone, not just the military.

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by DennisP »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #87
DennisP wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say all of them but YMMV.

When was the last time quantum physics sparked delight in a member of the general public? Sorry, let me rephrase: has there even been a first time?

I'm a member of the general public and it's done that lots of times for me.

Besides that, "member of the general public" isn't part of Oxford's definitions. If the "magic" commenter above is a professional quantum physicist, that doesn't invalidate their feelings about this. If you're more jaded, that doesn't make your own feelings more valid or authoritative.

In any case, this is getting a bit tedious and silly.

Re: Scientists use quantum device to slow chemical process by factor of 100B

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Post by barrysteve »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #64
p1esk wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried reading e.g. Plato and I just want to argue with him forever. That’s the whole point of reading Plato. You’re being exposed to the Socratic method.

Then I have not explained myself correctly. If I take a philosophy class, I can talk to teacher, discuss things,explore questions and Contradictions. And I do :-). When Plato says "let us all agree there exists a perfect blue independent of any real world blue", I want to argue that no, "blue" is a human construct and dependent on accidental biology. We can't even make sure thay we all experience the same blue and wh…

You're not reading.

You've fallen into the age old trap of reacting, to written text.

His argument might well be farcical, suspend disbelief like you would watching some Micheal Bay nonsense.

Do you let people get to the end of their sentence irl? I've noticed more that some people wont tolerate a building narrative in basic sentences, and want to deal only in conclusions.

I really do miss the days when people regularly had multi-layered, long running conversations. Now everything has to be said in discrete steps, one by one.

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