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Why Did a Drug Gang Kill 43 Students? Text Messages Hold Clues

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#81

I see reports like these and think that Mexico is a failed narco state. And yet you see reports of NAFTA trade and the fact that Mexico is now America’s largest trading partner. Hard to reconcile the two. A state without law and order is also a leading trading partner with tons of complex, large scale manufacturing. What gives?

Mexico isn't the USA's largest trade partner, it isn't even the largest one in NAFTA.

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#82
post #16

Perhaps we should end the fifty years long "War on Some Drugs" in the US that funds the cartels.

Can we please stop it with the victim blaming? This is the cartel's fault and no one else. I've never seen people as self-hating as liberal Americans. Only the English come close. I mean, it's great to be introspective and self-aware of what your country is doing, but not to the degree that you put the blame for drug crime on the people trying to eradicate drug usage. The problem with the war on drugs isn't that it e…

> but not to the degree that you put the blame for drug crime on the people trying to eradicate drug usage.

But this is exactly where the blame lies. Alcohol production and distribution related crime dropped to essentially zero once the prohibition ended.

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#83
post #81

I see reports like these and think that Mexico is a failed narco state. And yet you see reports of NAFTA trade and the fact that Mexico is now America’s largest trading partner. Hard to reconcile the two. A state without law and order is also a leading trading partner with tons of complex, large scale manufacturing. What gives?

Mexico isn't the USA's largest trade partner, it isn't even the largest one in NAFTA.

Nope, its Mexico.

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/highlights/t...

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#84
post #16

Perhaps we should end the fifty years long "War on Some Drugs" in the US that funds the cartels.

Can we please stop it with the victim blaming? This is the cartel's fault and no one else. I've never seen people as self-hating as liberal Americans. Only the English come close. I mean, it's great to be introspective and self-aware of what your country is doing, but not to the degree that you put the blame for drug crime on the people trying to eradicate drug usage. The problem with the war on drugs isn't that it e…

Don't "social libertarians" want drugs to just be legalised so they can be produced by local businesses and thus cut off the flow of cash to criminals?

Wanting more Clear and Present Danger-style ruthlessness in the war on drugs (after decades of failures of varying levels of ruthlessness) I guess is an idea if you don't care about body count and collateral damage, but just feels like without legalisation it's going to be a complete waste of time.

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#85
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, it was never a war on drugs, it was a war on drug addicts - a group that already had enough problems on their plate before they had the full force of a police state hunting them down.

> war on drug addicts No, ir was a war on political opponents, not necessarily addicts at all. The War on Marijuana and Acid was to go after hippies, and the War on Crack was to go after inner city blacks. The idea being all of these groups would have voted liberal and the Republican base supported punishing these groups. This was all assumed for decades but made explicit as the strategy by one of Nixon’s top lieuten…

Which would be a great explanation if there weren't drug wars in every other part of the world too, including left wing dictatorships like China.

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#86

I see reports like these and think that Mexico is a failed narco state. And yet you see reports of NAFTA trade and the fact that Mexico is now America’s largest trading partner. Hard to reconcile the two. A state without law and order is also a leading trading partner with tons of complex, large scale manufacturing. What gives?

I'd say it's because the US can get cheap stuff from Mexico, and corporations can take advantage of incredibly lax (absent?) labour laws to get things done quickly and cheaply.

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#87
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why does the war on drugs cause Mexico to fall apart and not Canada? Does Canada produce Marijuana and Cocaine ? Mexico is an agricultural producing country > I don't think Mexico's problems would be solved if drugs disappeared tomorrow. Mexico was already in trouble before the drug trade kicked off Low education, low productivity, limited opportunities How many Canadians jump the wall to wash dishes in the US ?

> Does Canada produce (farmed narcotics) But why don't they produce world-leading levels of illegal synthetic narcotics, purely in search of profit on the American illicit market? If farming isnt viable and drugs are massively profitable, why does Canada not suffer from the allure of American dollars? > Mexico was already in trouble I agree, but does that mean Mexico cannot solve its problems without an American Savi…

If the country participate in global trade, I don't think it can end corruption by itself without violence.

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#88
post #81

I see reports like these and think that Mexico is a failed narco state. And yet you see reports of NAFTA trade and the fact that Mexico is now America’s largest trading partner. Hard to reconcile the two. A state without law and order is also a leading trading partner with tons of complex, large scale manufacturing. What gives?

Mexico isn't the USA's largest trade partner, it isn't even the largest one in NAFTA.

One thing HN commentators have in common with LLMs: the ability to say completely wrong things with total confidence.

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#89
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war on drugs in the 80s was focused on Colombia and disrupting Pablo Escobar's coke empire. That was successful but caused production to move closer to Mexico. Everything was stable until the national army took over policing enforcement in 2006 and now you have many 1000x more murders. Some of the murders that are reported as cartel murders can be national army murders. It's a different situation that resolves it…

That tells me what happened, but not why? (I appreciate the detail, though) Why isn't Canada a major narcotics manufacturing center? Why is Colombia? I think the answer is probably complex and involves poverty (meaning switching from lawful occupation to unlawful occupation is a bigger difference than in, say, Canada) and corruption/lawlessness (which may also be consequently tied to the poverty, if corruption is a w…

A few things: climate. Canada has a small growing season and can't grow the plant to make coke.

Canada is a first world country with a social safety net. The risk/reward to crime doesn't make as much sense

Canadian's culturally inherited laws and culturally attitudes from Britain. Canadians are more fearful and morally against breaking small rules.

Canada's population is too small to produce the qualities needed

The US/Canadian police work together.

Thousands of Mexicans are coming to the US daily for a better life. Canadians have the same standard of life the average American.

Canadians are Americans. Most Canadians can look on their family tree and see relatives that came from America.

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#90

I see reports like these and think that Mexico is a failed narco state. And yet you see reports of NAFTA trade and the fact that Mexico is now America’s largest trading partner. Hard to reconcile the two. A state without law and order is also a leading trading partner with tons of complex, large scale manufacturing. What gives?

OTOH Europeans read reports that the US has an average of more than two mass shootings per day and think that the US is a failed state
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