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New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by kadoban »

adionionio wrote: post #39
IshKebab wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do it anyway. You can always not use the recording if the penalty for recording is going to be more than the benefit it gives you (unlikely).

Secret recording may be a criminal offense. I am not a lawyer in any jurisdiction, but it appears to be a felony in parts of the US. Admitting to felonies in court is probably not a good legal strategy. Even if you don't get arrested I am not confident the evidence would be admissible. EDIT: I know there are places where secret recordings are illegal but don't know the expected penalties. Recordings are probably lega…

> But in any case it would be wrong. Don't respond to sleaze with yet more sleaze.

Is it wrong, or just illegal some places?

Is it only "sleaze" where it's illegal, or everywhere?

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by m3kw9 »

toddmorey wrote: post #75
m3kw9 wrote: post #69

Even regular car has cracks what’s new?

This is the frame of the car. Don’t accept a new car with cracks in the frame. Ever.

I mean why is this news that a car can have defects? Are most tesla y from the same press like this?

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by rootusrootus »

Cockbrand wrote: post #51
stetrain wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s basically the front subframe. https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/tesla-m... https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-front-megacast-giga-...

Wow, that's indeed a seriously giant cast! How does it get repaired in case of a crash? Can one just cut off a damaged part of it and weld on a replacement, like with sheet metal?

Looking at the picture, it appears there is a boxed steel frame underneath. Probably in case of damage you just take it all apart and replace the entire cast aluminum piece.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by sixothree »

adionionio wrote: post #28
AlexandrB wrote: post #7

> The Tesla Files episode revealed that the BEV maker instructs its technicians always to provide feedback orally. Internal documents obtained by Handelsblatt stated: "Do not copy the report below into an email, text message, or leave it in a voicemail to the customer." I don't know how serious a crack in the front casting on a Tesla is, but this kind of policy is pretty egregious.

If it is legal where you live, you might want to get in the habit of secretly recording business dealings. I always have a recorder in my pocket when dealing with more than a few hundred dollars.

Is it true that if a business states that “calls may be recorded” then no matter where you live, it’s legal to record the call as well.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

drewg123 wrote: post #64

Sounds like not much has changed since 2015. A good friend ordered a new Model S in 2015. It arrived with a "squeak" that turned out to be due to missing welds in structural components of the chassis. They wanted him to sign an NDA to get a replacement vehicle (which he refused to do, both on principle, and because he'd talked to friends about it already). So he was forced to keep his vehicle, which was then repaired…

Who's to stop the victim from recording evidence, accepting the replacement car, and submitting said evidence anonymously to the media and / or consumer protection and / or the car safety institutions?

Are NDAs like that actually enforceable?

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by nradov »

gavinray wrote: post #53
stephenr wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The shit build quality has less to do with being American I'm not suggesting they're shit because they're American. I'm just saying it's nice to see them living up to the existing standard of shitness set by the existing American manufacturers. I'm sure each American car manufacturer has their own unique and interesting reasons for having reliably shit build quality compared to European or Japanese manufacturers.

Nothing as reliable as a Honda Civic or Toyota Prius.

Some people love to claim that electric cars will be more reliable due to mechanical simplicity. And yet somehow the highly complex Prius is still far more reliable and durable than any Tesla. It turns out that simplicity doesn't help if your engineers and assembly workers are incompetent and badly managed.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by seattle_spring »

EGreg wrote: post #58

Finally! How long have they been working on it? Front casting is not an easy technique to pull off, but confers a lot of advantages. I expect it will come standard on new Teslas starting next year.

What an extremely odd comment to make, given the context of the article.

> Front casting is not an easy technique to pull off

They're obviously not able "pull [it] off" if people are finding dangerous structural problems that Tesla is sweeping under the rug

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by seattle_spring »

m3kw9 wrote: post #82
toddmorey wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the frame of the car. Don’t accept a new car with cracks in the frame. Ever.

I mean why is this news that a car can have defects? Are most tesla y from the same press like this?

Article isn't really about the crack, it's about the fact that Tesla refuses to acknowledge it's a safety issue. They won't even acknowledge that it's cracked in writing, only verbally.

Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by candiddevmike »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #55
IshKebab wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do it anyway. You can always not use the recording if the penalty for recording is going to be more than the benefit it gives you (unlikely).

Be careful of your jurisdiction. In some places, the act itself of secret recording can be a criminal offence. In that case, you will want to include the possibility of prison in your cost-benefit analysis. E.g., Germany: StGB 201 § 201 Verletzung der Vertraulichkeit des Wortes https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__201.html In some places, secret recordings are useless as evidence (e.g., two-party consent states…

I can't help but think secret recording laws are there to protect the elite more than the common person...
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