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GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by solarmist »

Zetice wrote: post #77
JohnFen wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going back to paper maps isn't the alternative. I already have a device with me that can do all of the navigation, etc., that I'd need. None of that needs to be built into the car. Backup cameras are fine. The only fancy thing I would like to have in my car is the ability to connect the sound system in it to my phone or computer via bluetooth as if it were headphones -- but I can add that easily as an aftermarket thi…

Why wouldn’t you want a cleaner UI and larger screen to show you the contents of that device? Also why do you care if your car has a computer on it or not? Seems overly paranoid, bordering on luddite…

I agree with him about the car talking to an external server. That is a disgusting grab by car manufacturers.

For me, I don't care about my car having a computer, but I don't want it to talk to services without my permission and building their own thing shows a disregard for that desire. I love CarPlay/android and not offering those two most popular options doubles down on that disregard for customer interests.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by solarmist »

JohnFen wrote: post #74
solarmist wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might make your vehicle not Street Legal soon since backup cameras are required equipment going forward. Not sure how after-market factors in though.

In the US, backup cameras are required to be included with the car to be sold. There is no law that I'm aware of that prevents people from disabling or removing them after the sale. EDIT: I think I was incorrect. The law says "an altered vehicle that was completed on or after this date that was equipped with a rearview camera that already meets the new rearview requirements must continue to meet these requirements af…

It hasn't been tested to my knowledge, but at a minimum you will need to “restore” your car’s functionality to sell it legally.

It sounds like installers won't be able to do this modification moving forward either, so you would have to do it DIY.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by JohnFen »

Zetice wrote: post #77
JohnFen wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going back to paper maps isn't the alternative. I already have a device with me that can do all of the navigation, etc., that I'd need. None of that needs to be built into the car. Backup cameras are fine. The only fancy thing I would like to have in my car is the ability to connect the sound system in it to my phone or computer via bluetooth as if it were headphones -- but I can add that easily as an aftermarket thi…

Why wouldn’t you want a cleaner UI and larger screen to show you the contents of that device? Also why do you care if your car has a computer on it or not? Seems overly paranoid, bordering on luddite…

> a cleaner UI and larger screen to show you the contents of that device?

I haven't seen an in-car system that provides a better UI. Regardless, that's not actually important because I'm not interacting with the device or screen while I'm driving anyway.

A larger screen doesn't seem like a big deal. I'm not spending much time looking at the screen anyway.

> why do you care if your car has a computer on it or not?

I don't. I care about the connectivity, not the presence of a computer. It's all but certain that connection will be used to funnel data back to the manufacturer or someone.

> Seems overly paranoid, bordering on luddite…

No need to start with the personal insults here. I'm expressing my own desires, I'm not saying I want to deprive others of theirs. That I don't want things that you do doesn't diminish or harm you in any way.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by javajosh »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #79
CamperBob2 wrote: post #17

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You laugh, but I've always thought that would have been a good intermediate step towards full self-driving. Provide the option to delegate it to humans in a building 1000 miles away, similar to how the US military conducts drone warfare.

Latency makes it totally impossible to do that securely. Reaction times in case of a problem is the difference between life and dead and you cannot "outsource" that to someone 1000 miles away: network latency, monitor latency, input method latency (I send an "emergency braking order", network latency a second time. Impossible within our current understanding of physics: I mean... You could do it, but the added delay…

Yeah I wasn't expecting real time control, but rather high-level objectives and alterations to the self-driving module. E.g. "hit the next pedestrian lol" or "swerve into oncoming traffic lmao". Chat wouldn't actually execute these directives.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by devrand »

belval wrote: post #21
outside1234 wrote: post #9

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It is even worse than that - the CEO has this pipe dream that they are going to build a Netflix sized subscription business: https://techcrunch.com/2021/10/06/gm-aims-to-build-netflix-s...

> “Our research indicates that with the right mix of compelling offerings, customers are willing to spend $135 per month on average for products and services,” said Wexler. Assuming this is not a maintenance contract, who in their right mind will spend 135$ per month on "products and services" for their car?

The same people willing to spend $130k on a SUV?

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by lamontcg »

oo0shiny wrote: post #19
branon wrote: post #5

Good! Hopefully it will have no touchscreen either, only tactile buttons.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news... https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24841937/I...

That is obscene and should be illegal for car manufacturers to build and sell that in the US (or World).

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by csdvrx »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #73
csdvrx wrote: post #39

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> It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. Hopefully I'll have other options than this $130k Cadillac, but it's good to know some automakers cater to my preferences t…

> I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. Then, you're also not buying an EV it sounds like... All of these fancy headunits require a cell phone modem.... ----- CarPlay is entirely optional. Your headunit will have all of the basic still built in.

> Then, you're also not buying an EV it sounds like

Then I won't?

Instead, for a fraction of the price I may get a nice second hand muscle car, with no feature I don't want to be present. It may even have an old school CD player, I like retro :)

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by Zetice »

JohnFen wrote: post #83
Zetice wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn’t you want a cleaner UI and larger screen to show you the contents of that device? Also why do you care if your car has a computer on it or not? Seems overly paranoid, bordering on luddite…

> a cleaner UI and larger screen to show you the contents of that device? I haven't seen an in-car system that provides a better UI. Regardless, that's not actually important because I'm not interacting with the device or screen while I'm driving anyway. A larger screen doesn't seem like a big deal. I'm not spending much time looking at the screen anyway. > why do you care if your car has a computer on it or not? I d…

Computers are built these days mainly to talk to other computers, due to the considerable value gained by offloading computational effort to a central location. Not wanting a computer to talk to other computers is like not wanting your oven to heat food except by friction.

And "overly paranoid, bordering on luddite" is no insult, it's a description that your comments fit. If these words are insulting, stop fitting so well to them!

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by Zetice »

solarmist wrote: post #81
Zetice wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn’t you want a cleaner UI and larger screen to show you the contents of that device? Also why do you care if your car has a computer on it or not? Seems overly paranoid, bordering on luddite…

I agree with him about the car talking to an external server. That is a disgusting grab by car manufacturers. For me, I don't care about my car having a computer, but I don't want it to talk to services without my permission and building their own thing shows a disregard for that desire. I love CarPlay/android and not offering those two most popular options doubles down on that disregard for customer interests.

Fully agree re: CarPlay/Android Auto support.

But the default of "privacy good at all cost" seems like massive overkill IMO.

If there's specific evidence that a car is doing something that will specifically cause you harm in some way via data sharing, that's one thing. If it's a vague, general distrust, that falls into the "luddite paranoia" category.

Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by csdvrx »

gopher2000 wrote: post #56
csdvrx wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. Hopefully I'll have other options than this $130k Cadillac, but it's good to know some automakers cater to my preferences t…

> I refuse to use a cellphone Like at all? That immediately puts you in a pretty niche category.

> Like at all? That immediately puts you in a pretty niche category.

Like at all I guess? Or at least least 99% of the time?

I'm not opposed to the idea owning a cellphone: I can have one, if it's without a cellphone plan and spends most of the time powered off inside a drawer.

Then, as long as I'm not forced to interact with it say more than once a month, it's fine.

I guess this technically doesn't qualify for the "not at all" since I sometimes use a cellphone to run magisk to root my android ebook

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