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Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by tayiorrobinson »

omgJustTest wrote: post #40
crazygringo wrote: post #21

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So, usually I associate super-shady things with hiding the fact that they're super-shady. I'm thankful, but also genuinely curious, why they put this explicitly in their TOS. It just kind of seems to be like the kind of person/org who would implement this shady stuff in the first place, would also actively hide that they're doing it. Is there a legal reason that protects NightOwl by explicitly putting it in the TOS?…

Probably compelled by Apple, or removal from store.

The app isn't on the App Store. (switching light/dark is a private API so it wouldn't be allowed on the store anyway)

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by dingosity »

sublinear wrote: post #62
dingosity wrote: post #53

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> Isn't this sort of what the web is for? Service providers give you shiny objects for free and in exchange you give them complete access to your digital life. If you made it clear you were being sarcastic, you wouldn't be getting downvoted. Yes this is what many businesses want you to think. The web isn't for anything in particular besides general communication bound only by the laws beyond the first amendment.

Sarcastic? Not really. But I do see I am violating H. L. Mencken's rule: Never argue with a man whose job depends on not being convinced.

I sell to customers who purchase my goods. I'm not trying to sell my company to a VC whose using it to suck up ad dollars. My customers are my users, your customers are VCs.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by tayiorrobinson »

mcguire wrote: post #72

" The application, at least the time of writing, and the installations I’ve been made aware of, makes a lot of connections to https://stubbs.frontgatetickets.com/ , a website that sells tickets to live music events for a restaurant in Austin, TX. " Stubbs BBQ?

Yes.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by ohgodplsno »

laurent123456 wrote: post #57
reustle wrote: post #51

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Couldn't this happen to paid apps just as easily?

If the developer is well paid, probably not? Why would they throw away what they built for a lump sum if they have decent side-business and recurrent revenues?

Given a sufficient lump sum that guarantees I no longer have to work, my morals can be easily bought.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by sublinear »

kfrzcode wrote: post #60
sublinear wrote: post #35

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I'm not a lawyer, but the terms of service are an agreement with the user, so yes. They're not hiding anything because then they'd get sued. If they didn't disclose "this shady stuff" then the user can try to resolve their dispute via remedies stipulated elsewhere. Really there are several ways they could have gone about writing this agreement. This is probably the simplest for everyone. This is also how the bigger o…

Also not a lawyer. I'd think there's a level of interpretation to the enforceability of a given clause if it's not adequately exposed or is unconscionable in fairness. I'm guessing it's not so easy as clickwrap = rock solid contract.

Sure if a majority of users expect apps to not steal your data or misuse your internet connection.

Sadly this isn't the case anymore. The layperson is distrustful by default and can only rely on the more astute to blow a whistle. Even a judge would just say to not install apps that aren't critical to your everyday life and be done with it. Nobody has the time to swat at flies.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by dingosity »

mcguire wrote: post #78
sublinear wrote: post #62

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> Isn't this sort of what the web is for? Service providers give you shiny objects for free and in exchange you give them complete access to your digital life. If you made it clear you were being sarcastic, you wouldn't be getting downvoted. Yes this is what many businesses want you to think. The web isn't for anything in particular besides general communication bound only by the laws beyond the first amendment.

Neither the First Amendment nor any particular set of laws bind the web generally.

If you're commenting on the difficulty of policing the intarwebs, I heartily agree with you.

If you're saying CD230 doesn't exist, I encourage you to rejoin consensus reality. But if you're trying to say CD 230 is in need of review, I would heartily agree.

Re: Uninstall the NightOwl app

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Post by mcguire »

mschuster91 wrote: post #8

I hate silent takeovers so much. Chrome developer extensions are another very popular thing for bad actors to buy out and replace with malware, and it sucks.

What's silent about it? It's right there in the TOS, which you agreed to by using the software. Caveat Emptor, and all that.
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