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Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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It's interesting how the tone of this article is almost exactly the same as the one about the Microsoft employee that recently quit Google. Something happens to companies as they get larger, where the culture of a company starts dying from a death-by-a-thousand-cuts, and then they start promoting the wrong people into upper management that seem to really poison a very good company culture. It sounds like Goldman Sach…

I would strongly advise reading Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy on the subject of emergent culture in sovereign institutions.

These companies are small empires in their own right, creating a lasting and prosperous empire is an monumental undertaking where chasing fads has little effect.

In business circles I find Bosch and IBM to be prime examples of quality in this regard.

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I was an esoteric derivatives trader at an investment bank making money off clueless clients. We actualy prided ourselves, as a prop desk, on not being client facing. I went in expecting to parse global markets for inefficiency while pioneering the frontiers of 21st century finance. As time went on I found that the firm was content with mediocrity (as it could survive by simply existing in its role) and had no time f…

What do you do now, if you don't mind me asking?

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"Why I left reddit" 'It changed man. The culture wasn't the same as when I joined five years ago.' These 'I said GOODBYE SIR!'s are interesting, but I'm not sure how much reliable information can be gleaned from them. What ever happened to not 'burning your bridges'? This is a resumé.

I agree with your sentiment, but not with the "burning your bridges" part. Seems like the fear of burning your bridges keeps many people from speaking frankly about what's happening in the corporate world. And that's important nowadays because as they say, politicians don't run the world, Goldman Sachs does. Looking forward to wikileaks bank-leaks.

Yes, given the cynicism which seems to have developed there, it seems like only a matter of time before some GS employee decides to leak embarrassing information as part of an insider trading scheme.

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I was an esoteric derivatives trader at an investment bank making money off clueless clients. We actualy prided ourselves, as a prop desk, on not being client facing. I went in expecting to parse global markets for inefficiency while pioneering the frontiers of 21st century finance. As time went on I found that the firm was content with mediocrity (as it could survive by simply existing in its role) and had no time f…

What do you do now, if you don't mind me asking?

HackerNews got me - moving to a tech firm

Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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I was an esoteric derivatives trader at an investment bank making money off clueless clients. We actualy prided ourselves, as a prop desk, on not being client facing. I went in expecting to parse global markets for inefficiency while pioneering the frontiers of 21st century finance. As time went on I found that the firm was content with mediocrity (as it could survive by simply existing in its role) and had no time f…

What was your education before working as a trader?

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I was an esoteric derivatives trader at an investment bank making money off clueless clients. We actualy prided ourselves, as a prop desk, on not being client facing. I went in expecting to parse global markets for inefficiency while pioneering the frontiers of 21st century finance. As time went on I found that the firm was content with mediocrity (as it could survive by simply existing in its role) and had no time f…

What do you do now, if you don't mind me asking?

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The gentleman era of investment banking is largely mythical. There was a long period where they were notably less scummy and cutthroat than other investment banks (compare: Salomon Brothers in the 1980s) but they were always an investment bank. The most visible (to a young person) sign of a bank's character is how it treats its employees. The 90+ hour weeks and terrible conditions in the "analyst" program (the term h…

> The gentleman era of investment banking is largely mythical. There was a qualitative change after the banks went public. The old partnerships were inherently more prudent. And that's where the old culture came from. The new corporate structure rewards any risk-taking where losses lag gains by a year or more. So the culture changes.

> There was a qualitative change after the banks went public.

Many investment bankers knew they were selling crap at insane valuations during the internet bubble. Hell, the first time I saw IB's taking advantage of mass mania was the junk bonds era and Michael Milken.

Those guys have had the culture of taking advantage of clients for a very long time. It might be argued that the author of the OP article is just a slow learner... But I give him major props on teaching what he learned.

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post #85

I was an esoteric derivatives trader at an investment bank making money off clueless clients. We actualy prided ourselves, as a prop desk, on not being client facing. I went in expecting to parse global markets for inefficiency while pioneering the frontiers of 21st century finance. As time went on I found that the firm was content with mediocrity (as it could survive by simply existing in its role) and had no time f…

What was your education before working as a trader?

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The gentleman era of investment banking is largely mythical. There was a long period where they were notably less scummy and cutthroat than other investment banks (compare: Salomon Brothers in the 1980s) but they were always an investment bank. The most visible (to a young person) sign of a bank's character is how it treats its employees. The 90+ hour weeks and terrible conditions in the "analyst" program (the term h…

> The gentleman era of investment banking is largely mythical. There was a qualitative change after the banks went public. The old partnerships were inherently more prudent. And that's where the old culture came from. The new corporate structure rewards any risk-taking where losses lag gains by a year or more. So the culture changes.

I really think being publicly-traded companies is the root of the problem here. When a company goes public, it adopts one (and only one) goal: Maximize shareholder value. When that's the priority, it naturally follows that the sharks take over the waters. This is not a tough leap of logic, and it's repeated in corporate culture constantly. We need a famous person to quote it succinctly so that it is enshrined as a colloquial law.

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So, Goldman used to be honest? They rated their own chapter in 'The Great Crash, 1929': http://storyoftheweek.loa.org/2010/10/in-goldman-sachs-we-tr...

To be fair, I think many of the people who were employed at Goldman Sachs three generations ago are no longer with the firm, so it's hard to judge GS based on that.
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