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Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by babypuncher »

deadeye wrote: post #2

What could you possibly mean? Government made it so much better. How else would you know that the cookies (you're going to consent to anyway) are being put on your computer?

I don't consent to them. If websites are making it hard not to consent, then they are in violation of the GDPR.

Stop blaming the government for something private companies are doing to you. All the government did was require them to be honest about it.

Maybe the EU should be more aggressive with GDPR, and start fining these companies out of existence for not being 100% compliant. That would put a stop to the maze of dark patterns pretty quickly. Either every shitty company would go bankrupt overnight, or they would learn how to make very simple "yes cookies" and "no cookies" buttons.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by josefx »

brookst wrote: post #42
tester756 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, let's blame EU for websites spying on you If website uses cookies just for legit purposes (e.g auth, language choice), then it doesn't need to show cookie consent. Webmasters should get awarness on this or stop spying

So you’re a company with a web property. Your lawyers tell you you have two options: 1. Ensure that you’re perfectly abiding by all “legit purposes” and be prepared to update your policies and software each time those change, at the risk of huge fines. Or, 2. Just put an annoying banner up and have no risk. Which do you do? Government created this problem. Yes, it was in response to bad behavior from industry, but th…

2 doesn't work since you actually have to list what you use the data for and keep that list up to date. You think large companies like Google didn't already try that?

> Which do you do?

Given that 2 goes out of its way to violate the law and make your users miserable I would suggest 1. But that is just the opinion of a non lawyer.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by madeofpalk »

whalesalad wrote: post #39
Kovah wrote: post #21

Instead of hating the EU, how about directing your hate towards the bad players of the web? Cookie banners are not the fault of the EU, but the fault of companies disrespecting privacy rights and pushing data collection, ads and all possible shady growth hacking strategies towards the user. I am glad that a government body actually made this possible and made visible how horrible the internet is.

A bad bandaid is still a bad thing, regardless of what it is covering up. Cookies are table stakes on the internet. This is the wrong solution to a completely different problem.

EU just requires explicit consent for non-table stakes/non-required persistent tracking.

> The commonly seen method of using a checkbox and a simple information note such as “remember me (uses cookies)” next to the submit form would be an appropriate means of gaining consent therefore negating the need to apply an exemption in this case.

If it is 'table stakes', like "remember me" checkbox, you don't need a separate cookie banner

https://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-29/documentation/opinio... via https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/32152/gdpr-cookie-fo...

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by julesallen »

antonf wrote: post #67
probably_wrong wrote: post #41

Disclaimer: I actually click through the "do not consent" procedure, which tells a lot about what I'm about to say. When the EU regulation came up, I was shocked that a single article was being shared with 100+ "partners". I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad. At least now I get the choice to opt-out. Sidenote: Google got fined for that pop-up because it should have a "do not accept" option [1]. Compa…

I would like an option for those of us who don’t care and click whatever button have brighter color. Like a default consent to sharing all data. This don’t have to be on by default. This would improve my browsing experience tremendously.

You're going to love this:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=i+still+don%27t+care+about+cookies

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by zelphirkalt »

The "consent" popup is not GDPR conform. Rejection should not take more effort than accepting. That said, of course you should never trust Google, simply clicking "accept". Especially when they make it take more effort to reject, you need to reject.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by danudey »

nottorp wrote: post #56
whalesalad wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bad bandaid is still a bad thing, regardless of what it is covering up. Cookies are table stakes on the internet. This is the wrong solution to a completely different problem.

All they have to do is stop tracking us and only use login cookies if i log in. Simple enough. Any other cookies are not "table stakes".

Website analytics can be incredibly useful for designers and developers; giving those up would be a huge hit to a lot of companies, large and small, so it's understandable that they're not going to do so.

Random example from more than a decade ago: I worked at an online retailer, and we did a nice redesign of our cart page. Looked great, much more readable, but we started losing sales. Did people hate the redesign? It was certainly easier to use and navigate.

Our marketing guy looked at our analytics and saw that there was a massive drop in checkouts from users whose displays were set to 1024x768. He changed his resolution and, sure enough, the 'Checkout' button was something like four pixels below the bottom of the screen, if you were using Internet Explorer or Chrome and you had your browser maximized.

I get that analytics can seem creepy and gross, and stuff like that is 'none of [retailers'] business' to a lot of people, but without those analytics we would have had no idea why we lost those sales, and would have had to simply revert the redesign with no real opportunity to change it.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by wussboy »

0xfedbee wrote: post #52
telmo wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my personal experience, people who hate the GDPR are typically not EU citizens. I am an EU citizen and I strongly approve of GDPR. Is it perfect? No. Is it a step in the right direction? Yes.

Do you also approve of surveillance states that a lot of EU countries are? Do you approve of push to end encrypted messaging? Do you approve of impossibility of getting an anonymous SIM card?

"This legislation is not perfect, therefore all legislation is useless."

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by johnnyworker »

That's only for websites that insist on tracking users first thing before hello. Nothing stops 99% of the sites from having an opt-in link somewhere in the footer, and minimal defaults, other than that they insist on convoluted metrics for their little brochure thingy. It's only really necessary to sell impressions or worse, not to make functional or even beautiful sites.

Sure, I know there's counter-examples, there are sites that do interesting things with personal data, even. But I know the vast, vast majority of sites that have these banners are not those sites, and I don't accept these corner cases as a fig leaf for this elephant (whose name is incompetence and greed) sitting on the couch, moaning about this law, since day one.

"this is what someone who considers themselves a webmaster, or even a web developer, writes nowadays (2021)"

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by jonas-w »

danhau wrote: post #36
ktosobcy wrote: post #18

But you know that the problem are we operators - right? There could be browser configuration for the cookie consent popup (accept, essential, reject all) that websites could follow but now - they prefer to be obnoxious about it hoping that everyone will click "allow" pit of boredom (not to mention that at the beginning it was only visible option and reject was hidden, which was illegal)...

This. It boggles the mind that browser vendors (and standards committee) haven‘t come up with a preferences page for cookie consent. Expose that through JS and/or send it to the server via a HTTP header.

I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but the DNT header exists, just no one respects it. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/DN...

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Post by [deleted] »

madeofpalk wrote: post #83
whalesalad wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bad bandaid is still a bad thing, regardless of what it is covering up. Cookies are table stakes on the internet. This is the wrong solution to a completely different problem.

EU just requires explicit consent for non-table stakes/non-required persistent tracking. > The commonly seen method of using a checkbox and a simple information note such as “remember me (uses cookies)” next to the submit form would be an appropriate means of gaining consent therefore negating the need to apply an exemption in this case. If it is 'table stakes', like "remember me" checkbox, you don't need a separate…

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