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GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by wahnfrieden »

artyom wrote: post #10
zeroCalories wrote: post #4

Haha, I can't deny that I love the catty drama that happens around the free software community. While I do wish people would get along better for the health of the project, I also suspect that these strong characters are why the movement hasn't been completedo taken over by corporate interests.

I'm 100% with you on that. Strong free software leadership (e.g. classic Torvalds), despite all its problems, is naturally anti-corporation. Anyone with a real job in a moderately Big Co. can tell you that.

Anti-corporate licenses would be the Peer Production License, Anti-Capitalist Software License, etc. whereas GPL/MIT/Apache etc. are all extremely corporate-friendly as can be plainly seen by the companies that have adopted them.

However GPL software being corporate-friendly can be a good thing if it leads to "exvestments" into public goods that create alternatives to corporate software (such as with Linux) in ways that are not direct investments into corporate aims

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by mcpackieh »

EgregiousCube wrote: post #22
chrismsimpson wrote: post #12

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GNU is somewhere between a non-profit software outfit and a cult in a way that is greater than either. I don't agree with all of the positions that GNU takes in specific, but in aggregate I think the movement has been a huge force for good because of its cultlike unbending adherence to its philosophy. It would be bad if GNU stomped out all other philosophies of developing software and products, because it would remov…

> because it would remove the commercial incentive to innovate

Not so. In a world were the FSF got their way: Organizations with a need for specialized software would be able to contract programmers to bring that software into existence. It's not as though every other profession in the world would throw up their hands and say they couldn't use computers anymore just because software could no longer be copyrighted.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by [deleted] »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #81
artyom wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm 100% with you on that. Strong free software leadership (e.g. classic Torvalds), despite all its problems, is naturally anti-corporation. Anyone with a real job in a moderately Big Co. can tell you that.

Anti-corporate licenses would be the Peer Production License, Anti-Capitalist Software License, etc. whereas GPL/MIT/Apache etc. are all extremely corporate-friendly as can be plainly seen by the companies that have adopted them. However GPL software being corporate-friendly can be a good thing if it leads to "exvestments" into public goods that create alternatives to corporate software (such as with Linux) in ways t…

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Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by p0d »

Dwedit wrote: post #69

Libreboot is such an unfortunate name, as you could also read the name as a library dedicated to rebooting a computer.

I didn't downvote you by the way, was someone else. I am in holiday in Spain and surrounded by the use of the word Libre regarding libraries and books. So the same thought as your own also crossed my mind.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by Throwaway128865 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #78
neilv wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to remind myself not to read too much into such things, for three reasons that we all know, but which may bear repeating to ourselves: 1. Open source is global, and not everyone is a native speaker of English. 2. Among English speakers, not everyone has the same cultural conventions and nuances. Even within US cities, you can drive 15 minutes, and find very different conventions. And culture in Boston isn't th…

That's an essential point. At the same time the interpretation isn't completely random or unpredictable; we're all humans, with the same emotions, the same physiological expressions of them, and the same internal responses to others' emotions. If you yell at someone anywhere, you can expect a certain range of emotional responses.

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Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by k_roy »

LukeShu wrote: post #41
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #18

Why is Libreboot always in the middle of drama? Is the maintainer just that kind of person?

There was the spat of drama in 2016, and the view of "always in the middle of drama" is IMO confirmation bias since then (the financial trouble in 2020, then Leah's return to libreboot in 2021.) Today's drama is part of larger culture wars going on in the community: - The pro-RMS vs anti-RMS thing going on since RMS's removal from the FSF in 2019, much amplified by his reinstatement in 2021 (the latter of which lead…

> The pro-RMS vs anti-RMS thing going on since RMS's removal from the FSF in 2019

it's been going on MUCH longer than that.

No matter what he's done for free software, he's also a super-creep based on some of his comments

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by 1000bestlives »

neilv wrote: post #27
saghm wrote: post #9

Obviously we don't have the full context of prior communication, but the message screenshot is super passive aggressive ("just a little reminder you're not a maintainer" when obviously both parties are aware, "you're welcome to send us patches that we will review if we want to" very implying that the patches might just be ignored). It's possible the libreboot author also wasn't communicating professionally either, bu…

I have to remind myself not to read too much into such things, for three reasons that we all know, but which may bear repeating to ourselves: 1. Open source is global, and not everyone is a native speaker of English. 2. Among English speakers, not everyone has the same cultural conventions and nuances. Even within US cities, you can drive 15 minutes, and find very different conventions. And culture in Boston isn't th…

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Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by dmix »

causality0 wrote: post #74
voz_ wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The inability of the community to self police has driven a ton of people away, myself included.

When you've got someone with the pattern of behavior detailed in the grandparent comment in conflict with someone who appends "Defend Richard Stallman!" to all their emails including takedown notices, how can anyone think we're anything but a bunch of fools?

It's pretty common knowledge. The (F)OSS community being full of poorly adjusted/autistic people taking power trips the second they get the least bit of community status is the most classic story around in tech.

Re: GNU Boot sent a cease and desist to Libreboot

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Post by 1000bestlives »

slabity wrote: post #67
torstenvl wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The better question is, why didn't FSF contact Leah before trying to publish their own Libreboot releases at libreboot.at? Why did they try to impersonate Libreboot? Whatever you may think of Leah publishing an unofficial GNU Boot release for them to rebase off of, she didn't try to impersonate them by buying a confusingly similar domain. Compare her single reference to an "unofficial GNUBoot release" to this: ht…

> No. The better question is, why didn't FSF contact Leah before trying to publish their own Libreboot releases at libreboot.at? Why did they try to impersonate Libreboot? That's not a better question at all. They list out their explicit reasoning for their attempted name takeover. I definitely don't agree with it, but I have no reason to believe that they're lying about their own beliefs. I absolutely do have reason…

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