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Re: Cities with their own psychological disorders

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Post by twmiller »

ethbr0 wrote: post #35

> (on Paris Syndrome uniquely afflicting Japanese tourists) Or it could be the jarring confrontation of the a priori ideal of Paris as exotic and friendly with the rather more abrasive nature of the city’s inhabitants. Having visited Tokyo (which I assume is the most Paris-like Japan gets?) and Paris (just got back from most recent trip), this rings true. Average "mild annoyance" from a Parisian would equal "severe d…

> That said, on my most recent trip to Paris, I actually found Parisians a lot nicer than the last time I was there (~1995ish?).

My wife and I had the exact same experience. We had been to Paris in the late 90s and when we were there a couple of years ago, we found people to be much nicer than they had been previously. Our theory is that it is / was a generational thing.

Re: Cities with their own psychological disorders

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Post by kbenson »

cguess wrote: post #69
Doches wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to pick up on as an American, but "French Tacos" actually don't have any genealogy in common with Tex-Mex tacos. They're essentially north African shwarma (lamb kebab, fries, cheese sauce, lettuce shoved in a wrap) re-marketed in a way that doesn't invoke knee-jerk racism from the French mainstream. Calling them "tacos" lets them get away with being exotic, and since the average Français doesn't really have…

Norway is this too. I tried to make actual Tex-mex ground beef tacos for some friends and they were abhorred by it.

Honestly, one of the the things that worries me the most about possibly moving out of California (being a native) to another state at some point is lack of good Mexican food if I'm not careful about where I move. I'm sure it's much worse in the majority of countries I'd be interested in moving to as well.

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Post by philwelch »

delecti wrote: post #38
joncrane wrote: post #36

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Wow, this adds some context to his assassination, which is still one of the greatest unsolved mysteries of our time.

If he was that big of a jackass, maybe his murder wasn't an assassination at all. Maybe someone was just fed up with his shit.

I think the murder of a prime minister is an assassination by definition.

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Post by nickybuzz »

simonbarker87 wrote: post #8

They also missed the Glasgow effect - residents have a significantly lower life expectancy that the rest of the UK and, from memory so could be wrong, it affects people who's first line ancestry is from Glasgow but who themselves have never lived there.

Sounds like... genetics?

Re: Cities with their own psychological disorders

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Post by philwelch »

3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #42
escapedmoose wrote: post #26

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But the distinction between the apparent pattern and its underlying cause is important. If the cause of this method of “trying to adapt to your environment” isn’t actually some bizarre psychological paradox after all, that fact has important implications for how we treat people in these scenarios.

In general anything we call "paradox" is something we don't understand. A paradox is apparent contradiction of facts and their logical, rational relationship. But contradictions don't exist out there. Reportedly the syndrome "occurs in 8% of kidnap victims", by FBI stats. Not sure how they measure that, but seems plausible. Of course when forced to act against your will, you're defiant. Fight or flight. That's what h…

> A kidnapping is sudden and unexpected. No time to adapt. But there are abusive situations when there is plenty of time to adapt.

To wit, the second most prominent supposed case of Stockholm Syndrome was the kidnapping of Patty Hearst, who was supposedly held captive by the SLA terrorists and abused for a protracted period of time before she started helping them rob banks.

Re: Cities with their own psychological disorders

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Post by aredox »

3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #20
aredox wrote: post #10

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Yes, Stockholm syndrome is a toxic lie, a mix of mysoginy, covering up police incompetence and Swedish "holier-than-thou" attitude. https://www.stadafa.com/2020/12/stockholm-syndrome-discredit...

Stockholm syndrome is an example of a phenomenon that is pervasive in society and nature in general and a basic consequence of trying to adapt to your environment. We can nitpick forever the specific Stockholm events, but they're just a noisy example of a pattern, not an ideal MODEL of the pattern.

It's not. The proof? There is no serious study on it, despite its "obviousness" and "pervasiveness".

Kapos, collaborators or hostages joining the cause of their captors are not a "syndrome" of people "falling in love" or "bonding" with their captors. Patty Hearst was just convinced of the cause of the SLA - and she tried to get out of jail by using that card. She was just neither bright not honest - a spoiled brat jumping on an adventure that turned bad.

Re: Cities with their own psychological disorders

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Post by simonbarker87 »

nickybuzz wrote: post #84
simonbarker87 wrote: post #8

They also missed the Glasgow effect - residents have a significantly lower life expectancy that the rest of the UK and, from memory so could be wrong, it affects people who's first line ancestry is from Glasgow but who themselves have never lived there.

Sounds like... genetics?

What’s so fascinating is that Edinburgh and Glasgow are only 50 miles apart. Just 50 miles in where someone’s parents or even grandparents were born and moved then away from has a legitimate impact on their life expectancy.

Re: Cities with their own psychological disorders

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Post by isleyaardvark »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #17
meigwilym wrote: post #3

I'm no expert, but wasn't Stockholm Syndrome debunked? My understanding is that the response to the hostage taking was so incompetent that the hostages trusted the kidnappers more than the police. One of them was expected to "die at her post" by a bank executive. She refused to testify against them for these reasons rather than any sympathy to their cause.

Most of these supposed syndromes seem fairly questionable.

The wiki entry for Paris syndrome debunks the entry in the article. The article seems low quality.
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