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Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by solarkraft »

brettermeier wrote: post #51
tomalaci wrote: post #31

Important: This is not VC funding. This is a Kickstarter project [1]. Honestly, this feels like a scam. Their logo and name is stupidly similar to Adobe which would obviously result in trademark lawsuit. I think they are just scrounging up money from the Kickstarter and will just disappear after a while. [1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/culturehustle/abode-a-s...

You could have read the whole article, then you wouldn't have missed this paragraph: "The other, perhaps more urgent issue is the threat of Adobe’s legal department. The marketing and branding of the software looked a little too on the nose for the multi-billion dollar company to ignore. Semple says he’s ready should Adobe decide to flex its legal muscle. “I have lawyers, and I’ve taken advice. We have solid plans in…

> no software that infringes on any of Adobe’s trademarks has been produced

Yeah but a damn company that infringes on Adobe's trademarks has been produced

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by wiseowise »

herbst wrote: post #38
gizmo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gimp and Paint.net have probably benefited from a million hours of open source labor and yet their capabilities are nowhere near Adobe's products. People underestimate how much work commercial software takes by many orders of magnitude. This kickstarter is maybe performance art but if they're serious there is no chance in hell they will actually produce software that is actually competitive with an Adobe suite produc…

No idea about Paint.Net but there is not a single thing i could name that I am missing with Gimp. The only downside of Inkscape is that it doesn't properly open and save the most recent Adobe formats other than that I also have no idea why I would need anything more than what Inkscape offers. Sure the Adobe tools have a lot to explore, a lot of buttons and options hidden in millions of submenus. But a good portion of…

> No idea about Paint.Net but there is not a single thing i could name that I am missing with Gimp.

> The only downside of Inkscape is that it doesn't properly open and save the most recent Adobe formats other than that I also have no idea why I would need anything more than what Inkscape offers.

Good for you. I can assure you that you'll find thousands of creative workers that will find what's missing from those tools.

> My point is you do not need to feature match Adobe to compete, making it more accessible alone could be a selling point.

That's why GIMP and Inkscape are industry standards that displaced Adobe tools.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by reaperducer »

tuetuopay wrote: post #64
reaperducer wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need at least 25000$ to hire a "decent" Software Dev and 50k for Senior Dev in India. They can produce much better output compared to US counterparts both in terms of Quantity and Quality. If that dev can't even put a dollar sign in the right place, then I'm not sure the quality is everything you claim. Attention to detail matters. Especially in coding.

At least Europeans put the currency sign after the number. If a dev cannot be United States centric and condescending, I'm not sure of their worth as an engineer.

The discussion is specifically about American salaries, so yes, the position of the dollar sign matters when someone is trying to brag about the quality of their work.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by aredox »

tomalaci wrote: post #31

Important: This is not VC funding. This is a Kickstarter project [1]. Honestly, this feels like a scam. Their logo and name is stupidly similar to Adobe which would obviously result in trademark lawsuit. I think they are just scrounging up money from the Kickstarter and will just disappear after a while. [1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/culturehustle/abode-a-s...

Semple is a very serious person - in a very British, deadpan humour way. But he delivered what he promised w.r.t. the extreme pigments he developed.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by tmpX7dMeXU »

brettermeier wrote: post #51
tomalaci wrote: post #31

Important: This is not VC funding. This is a Kickstarter project [1]. Honestly, this feels like a scam. Their logo and name is stupidly similar to Adobe which would obviously result in trademark lawsuit. I think they are just scrounging up money from the Kickstarter and will just disappear after a while. [1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/culturehustle/abode-a-s...

You could have read the whole article, then you wouldn't have missed this paragraph: "The other, perhaps more urgent issue is the threat of Adobe’s legal department. The marketing and branding of the software looked a little too on the nose for the multi-billion dollar company to ignore. Semple says he’s ready should Adobe decide to flex its legal muscle. “I have lawyers, and I’ve taken advice. We have solid plans in…

No part of what you’ve quoted changes my view an iota.

I’m not sure what has in your mind justified that immensely snarky response.

This is the equivalent of a perked-up overconfident guy bragging about his MMA skills to an uninterested date. This is the equivalent of a Tesla salesperson telling you not to worry because the car will DEFINITELY hit its stated range.

It all means nothing.

Anyone with a measly $200k or thereabouts wouldn’t be looking to waste a single cent of it on unnecessarily legal costs all to…blatantly copy a brand. This is a naive whoever looking to kick up some publicity with a meme vapourware product. Anyway, if a court ruled in Abode’s favour, it would quite frankly be a disgusting perversion of trademark law. It doesn’t pass the smell test at all. Adobe being evil doesn’t change that fact.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by signal11 »

traceroute66 wrote: post #32
phpisthebest wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but a decent salary is far different from "235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.)" If You can't see that there is a middle ground between impoverished wages and what was quoted above that I can't help you

> If You can't see that there is a middle ground between ... I can see a middle ground. Most people would probably name it as Europe. And you would have to go looking in Eastern Europe. And I think you would find, if you are lucky, that a competent European junior-ish developer would not get out of bed for less than 60k Euros (65k USD), a more senior developer would demand more. And you need more than one or two deve…

> Most people would probably name it as Europe. And you would have to go looking in Eastern Europe.

Affinity[1] is a good example, I believe that’s created in Europe and its very reasonably priced.

Pixelmator too — based in Lithuania?

[1] https://affinity.serif.com/

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by KeplerBoy »

mhitza wrote: post #60
traceroute66 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If You can't see that there is a middle ground between ... I can see a middle ground. Most people would probably name it as Europe. And you would have to go looking in Eastern Europe. And I think you would find, if you are lucky, that a competent European junior-ish developer would not get out of bed for less than 60k Euros (65k USD), a more senior developer would demand more. And you need more than one or two deve…

> And I think you would find, if you are lucky, that a competent European junior-ish developer would not get out of bed for less than 60k Euros (65k USD), a more senior developer would demand more. That's a very much extreme statement I think you confabulated. Take this developer median data from back in 2020 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1222324/developers-media... and reanalyze your statement. And also compar…

Are you actually in Europe?

You won't get qualified devs for much less than 60k around here. Especially since that is the amount of money people expect on their payslips before taxes.

On top of that employers have to pay additional stuff, that won't even make it on the payslip, like parts of the health insurance which are not considered to be parts of the compensation.

Quick Example from Austria:

* Cost to Employer 77k€

* Employee's Taxable Income: 60k€

* Income After Taxes: 40k€

* Childcare and University: 0€

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by hardware2win »

traceroute66 wrote: post #32
phpisthebest wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but a decent salary is far different from "235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.)" If You can't see that there is a middle ground between impoverished wages and what was quoted above that I can't help you

> If You can't see that there is a middle ground between ... I can see a middle ground. Most people would probably name it as Europe. And you would have to go looking in Eastern Europe. And I think you would find, if you are lucky, that a competent European junior-ish developer would not get out of bed for less than 60k Euros (65k USD), a more senior developer would demand more. And you need more than one or two deve…

>And I think you would find, if you are lucky, that a competent European junior-ish developer would not get out of bed for less than 60k Euros (65k USD), a more senior developer would demand more.

You realize that 60k usd after tax is 240k PLN which is like 6.6 times minimal wage?

This is good cash, not top, but good.

Junior people earn 36-120k PLN, so half of that.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by beckler »

constantcrying wrote: post #74

$235K does not seem like the amount of money needed to take on Adobe. At the very, very best this gets you 4 developers and an artist for a year, I don't see how that is enough to even compete with the numerous FOSS alternatives. This is an artist wanting to make multiple high effort products. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some serious confusion about what it takes to develop software going on here. I also don'…

Stuart Semple is kinda known for pulling stunts like this.

Whenever Vantablack was released to the world, the artist Anish Kapoor got exclusive artistry license rights for the pigment. Semple was rather upset about it, so he then made a pigment called "Pinkest Pink" and one of the terms and conditions of buying it is that you agree to never share it was Kapoor.

I don't know what his intention is with this project, but I'm sure it'll have an interesting outcome.

Re: After Raising $235K, Abode Remains Committed to Taking on Adobe

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Post by constantcrying »

justinclift wrote: post #76
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #4

Remember those "day in the life of a Google Project Manager" videos, where they do nothing but hang out on Zoom meetings and pig out on free food and snacks? Yeah, in many cases, those folks make roughly $235k/year. (And consume another $100k/year in lobster, shrimp, smoothies, and snickers bars.) $235k is absolutely nothing for software development, and you probably won't be able to hire even one talented developer…

Isn't the $235k only really needed to get them through their first prototypes? When they can show working progress they can then do more fund raising, or maybe outright sales of the early releases?

They need $235k to get to their next round of funding. Which could be selling the prototype, more crowdfunding or other investment.
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