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Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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How would not respecting DNT have been proven? The rub here is that everyone wanted to ignore DNT, because it made them lots and lots of money.

How can you prove that they respect your preferences in those consent theater pop ups? I think those pop ups are the worst thing that ever happened to the web because they eliminated the moral authority that anyone had to say “it is user hostile to use pop ups”. Once the EU made it appear “required” and even “laudable” or “prosocial” there was no basis to say “you shouldn’t put this other popup in that will make user…

Point.

I suppose the formalism around popups, and specifically when the EU decided to start levying fines on entities who used dark patterns to avoid the spirit of "accept/reject must be equally easy to click", convinced me that user-visible was a better way to win the fight.

Granted, it's not a technically optimal solution, but it may be a politically optimal one. Vis-a-vis the people vs the advertising industry.

I'm unconvinced that DNT would have ever garnered the same support as something that people, and specifically politicians, can see. Which would have led to ad money quietly carrying the day.

I'm hopefully after we've chiseled "Thou shalt respect user decisions" in stone deeply enough, we can flip back to enabling a user agent to automatically respond to that question for us.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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> but they're still required to display a cookie banner "notifying" you that cookies are "in use" Common misconception but this is not true. If you use cookies only for functional purposes (not for tracking for example), you do not need to show any cookie banners. Like if you have a shopping cart and you have a cookie for keeping track of what's in it, it's for functional purposes for the user and hence needs no noti…

> Common misconception but this is not true. If you use cookies only for functional purposes (not for tracking for example), you do not need to show any cookie banners. Like if you have a shopping cart and you have a cookie for keeping track of what's in it, it's for functional purposes for the user and hence needs no notice to be used. Personally, I would not put a cookie banner of any kind on my website. However, g…

You'll notice those last three words "and obtain consent".

Either the cookies are strictly necessary - in which case, there is no need to display a banner, or they aren't in which case you have to ask the user for consent.

"List non-necessary cookies, but don't ask for consent" isn't an option.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

#83
post #70

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The EU just should have said "if you don't respect DNT, go directly to jail and don't pass Go".

How would not respecting DNT have been proven? The rub here is that everyone wanted to ignore DNT, because it made them lots and lots of money.

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Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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> but they're still required to display a cookie banner "notifying" you that cookies are "in use" Common misconception but this is not true. If you use cookies only for functional purposes (not for tracking for example), you do not need to show any cookie banners. Like if you have a shopping cart and you have a cookie for keeping track of what's in it, it's for functional purposes for the user and hence needs no noti…

> Common misconception but this is not true. If you use cookies only for functional purposes (not for tracking for example), you do not need to show any cookie banners. Like if you have a shopping cart and you have a cookie for keeping track of what's in it, it's for functional purposes for the user and hence needs no notice to be used. Personally, I would not put a cookie banner of any kind on my website. However, g…

They are not necessary.

> One of the ways we use cookies is to show you useful and relevant ads on and off Project Aria.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Then why does the banner say? >We use cookies to personalise and improve content and services, deliver relevant advertisements and increase the safety of our users

It’s probably the default language for the company. Technical, t he at allows them to have tracking cookies even if they don’t have them now

They explicitly say

> One of the ways we use cookies is to show you useful and relevant ads on and off Project Aria.

Also no, it doesn't let them do that because that's not how the law works. There must be an opt out.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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First thing I notice while browsing from EU is that there's only one option regarding cookies. Accept all! Even if I click "Learn more" there's no "accept necessary cookies" or "Reject cookies". First time I encounter something like this.

I have to admit, for technical folks like ourselves, I don't understand why you care what options the dialog presents. Just use a "Kill Sticky" plugin to nuke the stupid dialog so you can read the page, or even Accept them, and then instruct your browser to do whatever you like with the cookies the site creates (i.e. delete them). It's all in your hands, the popup dialog doesn't do anything you can't do yourself.

That assumes that the entity ignoring the law is operating within it to the extent of requiring your consent. GDPR goes much wider than explicitly cookies.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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Isn't that a GDPR violation since they're not allowed to prevent access if you refuse to share data not necessary for the service to function? Since it's from Meta I suspect regulators would enjoy another thing to add to the list for future fine calculations.

It depends. If everything stored & tracked is genuinely necessary (as defined by the regulations) then consent is not required. If they are just telling you that they are storing & tracking necessary things like session information, then all is good (unless the things they store & track are not, in fact, strictly necessary and non-privacy-affecting). Of course if they don't need consent, then why are they making a so…

They explicitly say a use is for ads on and off this site.

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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post #85

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It’s probably the default language for the company. Technical, t he at allows them to have tracking cookies even if they don’t have them now

They explicitly say > One of the ways we use cookies is to show you useful and relevant ads on and off Project Aria. Also no, it doesn't let them do that because that's not how the law works. There must be an opt out.

doesn't ot have to be opt in? you need to give consent. you can't gove consent until they've told you what cookies there are and click a button. if you don't click those can't be added if you're in the eu

Re: Project Aria 'Digital Twin' Dataset by Meta

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First thing I notice while browsing from EU is that there's only one option regarding cookies. Accept all! Even if I click "Learn more" there's no "accept necessary cookies" or "Reject cookies". First time I encounter something like this.

This is a perfect example of how GDPR can present challenges to innovation. The fact the top comment in this announcement revolves around GDPR compliance and associated fines raises questions about whether companies will be motivated to share research and open source datasets in the future.
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