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How is ChatGPT's behavior changing over time?

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Re: How is ChatGPT's behavior changing over time?

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Seriously. GPT doing math is like using a 737 to drive around on the ground, or if you had the phone number of a prominent astrophysicist and you call him to do long division for you. Wtf is the point. We have computer things to do every math problem. It’s a waste of energy to use LLMs for it in my opinion.

A better example would be - calling your guitar lessons teacher for help on a statistics problem.

Possibly more like instantiating the statistics problem by getting, say, every 3 members of an orchestra to represent a triplet of doors in the Monty Hall problem and then making a ball-park guess what the results are from a seat in the middle of the back row.

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> OpenAI would not kneecap their commercial offering by randomly changing how it works. Have you seen the 25 messages/3 hours limitation for GPT-4? Why do you think they did that? Of course they would make more money scaling up the volume, but how to do that when compute is so limited? Of course, by using some kind of approximation - quantised model or speculative sampling come to mind. It's hard to pinpoint model re…

You realize that's a limitation in the web application right? The web app is a consumer app (B2C) the api is commercial (B2B). They tinker with the B2C app because it's already a lossy approximation of using the model between the summarization and system prompt. They cannot mess with the commercial offering willy-nilly: People are building businesses predicated on it behaving a certain way. That's why there are dated…

You keep repeating that. You don't even know if the people commenting to you use the API or the "web app". I use the API and I noticed the same stuff others have.

Re: How is ChatGPT's behavior changing over time?

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Seriously. GPT doing math is like using a 737 to drive around on the ground, or if you had the phone number of a prominent astrophysicist and you call him to do long division for you. Wtf is the point. We have computer things to do every math problem. It’s a waste of energy to use LLMs for it in my opinion.

I used GPT-4 to generate a non-cryptographic random 64 character string. It was faster to ask GPT-4 for the string than ask GPT-4 for the instructions to generate the string from my terminal. GPT-4 was faster than google.

That’s likely a very good example of the limitations of LLMs.

Re: How is ChatGPT's behavior changing over time?

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Irritatingly, OpenAI reps deny any change in model capabilities over time. It's more likely that as the models are optimized for cost and performance, their in-house evaluation metrics don't cover everything customers are interested in. Meanwhile, the probabilistic nature of LLM output means there is plausible deniability.

I'm now sometimes using GPT3.5 because it produces better results than GPT4. GPT4 was amazing when it first came out for me. Either it has deteriorated or I was lucky in the beginning and am now lucky with GPT3.5 from time to time.

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(Tweet contents) > No, we haven't made GPT-4 dumber. Quite the opposite: we make each new version smarter than the previous one. > Current hypothesis: When you use it more heavily, you start noticing issues you didn't see before. I don’t see how it supports your argument. Your comment says “they deny making changes to GPT-4”, and the tweet says “we are making incremental improvements to GPT-4”.

It's important to read company marketing statements as if you were a lawyer. We haven't made GPT-4 dumber != We haven't made ChatGPT(4) dumber. Personal hypothesis is that they have made a few changes to ChatGPT recently - possibly quantization, and almost certainly some tweaks to make it give shorter/less detailed answers. But by the nature of a probibalistic tool being run by a secretive company, it's hard to say f…

Same experience for me. Very unlucky answers now.

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. GPT doing math is like using a 737 to drive around on the ground, or if you had the phone number of a prominent astrophysicist and you call him to do long division for you. Wtf is the point. We have computer things to do every math problem. It’s a waste of energy to use LLMs for it in my opinion.

I used GPT-4 to generate a non-cryptographic random 64 character string. It was faster to ask GPT-4 for the string than ask GPT-4 for the instructions to generate the string from my terminal. GPT-4 was faster than google.

I don't think this will be a truly random string.

Re: How is ChatGPT's behavior changing over time?

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I think we should stop trying to quiz LLMs on mathematics, something for which they are explicitly not designed to do with their tokenized view of the world. Ask GPT-4 to use its Wolfram plugin and it returns the answers quickly and correctly. Second, I think the code generation bit of this paper is blown out of proportion. The code can't be immediately injected into a codebase due to a formatting change (triple quot…

Seriously. GPT doing math is like using a 737 to drive around on the ground, or if you had the phone number of a prominent astrophysicist and you call him to do long division for you. Wtf is the point. We have computer things to do every math problem. It’s a waste of energy to use LLMs for it in my opinion.

The point of doing $non-llm-optimal-thing on an llm is the hope that it let's you skip on formal syntaxes, which are mentally taxing.

It's far easier even for an expert to communicate what they want in natural language than it is in a formal syntax for all but the most trivial things.

It should be a goal of these tools to do this correctly.

Re: How is ChatGPT's behavior changing over time?

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I think we should stop trying to quiz LLMs on mathematics, something for which they are explicitly not designed to do with their tokenized view of the world. Ask GPT-4 to use its Wolfram plugin and it returns the answers quickly and correctly. Second, I think the code generation bit of this paper is blown out of proportion. The code can't be immediately injected into a codebase due to a formatting change (triple quot…

They should stop teaching math to kids for the same reason. Just give them a calculator! Or show us the evidence that math education improves cognitive abilities in other domains.

Re: How is ChatGPT's behavior changing over time?

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I think we should stop trying to quiz LLMs on mathematics, something for which they are explicitly not designed to do with their tokenized view of the world. Ask GPT-4 to use its Wolfram plugin and it returns the answers quickly and correctly. Second, I think the code generation bit of this paper is blown out of proportion. The code can't be immediately injected into a codebase due to a formatting change (triple quot…

In terms of evaluating LLMs, I'd argue quizzing them on maths is still better than the other thing people keep doing - quizzing them on facts and self-contradicting scenarios, hoping to get them to only either recall information perfectly, or answer with "I don't know".

I'm not an AI/ML scientist, so I may be way off mark here, but everything I've read so far, and all my experience playing with GPT-3.5 and GPT-4, tell me that comparing performance of an LLM to that of a human is a category error, because the LLM isn't a good analogue of a whole human mind - but it's a very good analogue to human inner voice. The stream of consciousness. The whatever-it-is that surfaces your unconscious/subconscious thought process in form of words and sentences.

The inner voice is fast, it's reactive. It generates thoughts that match the situation, whether they're correct or factually accurate or not. It's up to the conscious part of your mind to stop, refine, or recycle those thoughts. If you let it keep going, it'll give you thoughts based on what feels like should follow the thoughts that came before. And, unless you habituated responding to anything new with "I don't know" followed by ignoring the topic, the inner voice will start blurting answers to what looks like a question/problem statement; whether or not they'll make any sense, depends on your familiarity with the topic in question.

Pretty much 1:1 what LLMs do.

Now, this could all be noise, but I don't think so. I know not everyone has a distinct inner narrative (much like not everyone can visualize things in their mind - I can't), but many (most?) people do. The description of the "inner voice experience" I gave above is something I figured out over a decade ago - before LLMs or even deep learning were a thing, before I knew anything about the NLP beyond recognizing the term "Markov chain" is somehow related. Could my inner narration style be unique? Possibly, but given how advice to avoid connecting your inner voice directly with your vocal apparatus is deeply infused in culture and literature, I strongly suspect this is just how it works.

All this to say: it is my hypothesis, so far corroborated by experience, that when you start feeding absurd amount of unlabeled text to a transformer model, letting it pick up on the structures encoded within, what you get is a close equivalent to our own inner voice - the part that deals with associations, not logic or data storage. You can't expect it to get good at performing arbitrary computation or recalling data with perfect fidelity, because it's structurally not what it's suited for. For humans, performing arbitrary calculations or perfect recall requires engaging a slower, more algorithmic thinking process (and/or external memory). That part is currently missing in the LLM-based AI systems we're playing with.

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