I’m at 200+ applications for a non-tech job.
2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
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Re: 2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
#82Have I been incredibly lucky my entire career? I don't think I've applied for more than 10 jobs at once. I have heard stories like this before - maybe the market has shifted drastically, or maybe spamming 2500 applications means each one is ... less good than one might think? Tailoring your application to each job has worked well for me at least. 46 Interviews is also a huge amount. I've done less than that my entire…
I’m not spending time to tailor my resume to get ghosted.
Re: 2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of (morbid) curiosity - what was his objection to using a debugger?
Isn't it obvious? Using a debugger implies that you expect the code you write to have bugs. Not a mindset I'd like my coworkers to have.
What? Are you implying that you don't write bugs?
Re: 2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of (morbid) curiosity - what was his objection to using a debugger?
Isn't it obvious? Using a debugger implies that you expect the code you write to have bugs. Not a mindset I'd like my coworkers to have.
Yep, this is the kind of senior tech lead advice I'm willing to shell out 475k total comp for.
Re: 2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
#85Have I been incredibly lucky my entire career? I don't think I've applied for more than 10 jobs at once. I have heard stories like this before - maybe the market has shifted drastically, or maybe spamming 2500 applications means each one is ... less good than one might think? Tailoring your application to each job has worked well for me at least. 46 Interviews is also a huge amount. I've done less than that my entire…
2500 apps is with his wife and brother helping. 46 phone screens out of that, a 1.8% conversion rate, is totally realistic. My rate was 6% but I was very targeted. I had 32 phone screens. These usually only take 30 minutes and don't require much prep. > maybe the market has shifted drastically You're catching on. This is the worst job market in 20 years, far worse than the 2009 recession. In 2009, tons of college kid…
Is it really? Because unemployment numbers don't line up with it being the worst market in 20 years.
Re: 2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
#86Have I been incredibly lucky my entire career? I don't think I've applied for more than 10 jobs at once. I have heard stories like this before - maybe the market has shifted drastically, or maybe spamming 2500 applications means each one is ... less good than one might think? Tailoring your application to each job has worked well for me at least. 46 Interviews is also a huge amount. I've done less than that my entire…
I feel incredibly lucky that I haven't actually applied for any programming job since my first. I've walked through the back door into my last 4 employers through my network. I'm 20 years in. Don't get me wrong, I'm still interviewing, but the process has moved incredibly fast for me every single time I put it out to my network that I was open.
Just this year, in fact, I put it out that I was looking, on a Tuesday, and I had multiple phone screens set up by that Thursday and Friday. Interviews with 5 companies the following week, followed up by additional interviews that same week, and ultimately I had 3 offers and accepted a new position inside of 10 days.
I wish everyone could have this sort of experience because I have the sense that (from my own personal experience, to some degree, but especially anecdotes like the OP) that it's a really, really rough out there for most people.
Re: 2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of (morbid) curiosity - what was his objection to using a debugger?
Just that I used it at all. There's a contingent of engineers who feel using a debugger is a waste of time and or a sign of weakness. They're the ones who like to stare at code and "run it in their heads" and dump crazy amounts of "got here" into the logs. Evidently this guy is one of them.
I am one of these engineers, but I consider the "cowboy style" a weakness and bad habit and would never ever judge another engineer over using a debugger.
Re: 2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
#88Have I been incredibly lucky my entire career? I don't think I've applied for more than 10 jobs at once. I have heard stories like this before - maybe the market has shifted drastically, or maybe spamming 2500 applications means each one is ... less good than one might think? Tailoring your application to each job has worked well for me at least. 46 Interviews is also a huge amount. I've done less than that my entire…
2500 apps is with his wife and brother helping. 46 phone screens out of that, a 1.8% conversion rate, is totally realistic. My rate was 6% but I was very targeted. I had 32 phone screens. These usually only take 30 minutes and don't require much prep. > maybe the market has shifted drastically You're catching on. This is the worst job market in 20 years, far worse than the 2009 recession. In 2009, tons of college kid…
> In 2009, tons of college kids were still getting in Amazon
Clearly, "tons" of kids getting into 1 company (out of several thousand just public ones), is a great indicator.
Just for reference, I actually lived through the 11% unemployment out of college. The market for fresh grads was absolutely brutal. A good 20-30% of my cohort never recovered and never broke into higher-paying white collar jobs and still works in jobs that don't require a college degree.
It was so bad, that the fresh grads of those years coined the term "lost generation". Millions of fresh grads just couldn't break into adulting for several years.
Re: 2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
2500 apps is with his wife and brother helping. 46 phone screens out of that, a 1.8% conversion rate, is totally realistic. My rate was 6% but I was very targeted. I had 32 phone screens. These usually only take 30 minutes and don't require much prep. > maybe the market has shifted drastically You're catching on. This is the worst job market in 20 years, far worse than the 2009 recession. In 2009, tons of college kid…
Is it really? Because unemployment numbers don't line up with it being the worst market in 20 years.
Overall unemployment or are you looking at tech specific numbers? Anecdotally I just went through the hardest job search of my career, and many people I know have either just gone through the same or still are. I don't have numbers to it up, but it certainly feels like a rough time to be looking to me.
Re: 2500 Job apps, 46 interviews, 1 offer
#90Job apps, especially if done on LinkedIn or on a company portal are essentially a black hole for your resume. The signal-to-noise ratio on applications that come in through that channel is so poor that unless you're a tiny company that gets only a handful of resumes, recruiters usually ignore them.
Company portal I agree, but LinkedIn? What if the recruiter reaches out to you and asks you to apply?
Do you count that as a waste of time? In my experience, those have a much higher rate of response.