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Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#81

Meta is going to ruin open ais moat on purpose. Great business strategy and good for everyone but metas competitors

Reminds me of Joel Spolsky’s essay on “Commoditize your complement”:

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v/

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#82
post #16

It's not open source, it's freeware or something like that. Weights aren't the source code of LLMs, they're the binaries.

Strong disagree - I think OSS is fine framing of this. Weights are a third category, you can 'fork' them in an a way that you can't with standard binaries.

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#83
See. They don't care about the LLaMA model leak. It turns out that it was OpenAI that cares because it ruins their moat. It costs Meta nothing to release a better open-source or freely available version of LLaMA again.

Still waiting for the 'Meta is dying' and 'Fire Mark Zuckerberg' calls from last year. A year later, where are they now?

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe there is no source code? I imagine an LLM is like output of the following process. There's a huge room full of programmers that can directly edit machine code. You give them a random binary, which they then hack on for a while and publish the result. You then inspect it and tell them it isn't quite optimal in some way and ask them for a new version. Iterate on this process a bazillion times. At the end you get…

Source code is the preferred form for development. In your scenario, despite the unrealistic coding process, the machine code is the source code, because that's what everyone is working on. In the development of LLM, the weights is in no way the preferred form of development. Programmers don't work on weights. They work on data, infrastructure, the model, the code for training, etc. The point of machine learning is n…

What? You work on the weights - you just do it using tools like the optimizers, etc.

You release your weights, others can build on top of that, fine tune it in different ways, produce new weights they can share with others. Seems very OSS-y.

I feel like there is some semantic nitpicky point being made here that is completely going over my head.

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#85
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like Meta can remove these books from the training set without retraining from scratch (or at least the last checkpoint before they were used). They probably can: https://github.com/zjunlp/EasyEdit > I wonder if this is going to cause issues down the road. There are some popular Stable Diffusion models, being run in small businesses, that I am certain have CSAM in them because they have a particular 4chan…

> They probably can: No, actually they probably can’t. There is no verifiable way to remove the data from the model apart from completely removing all instances of information from the training data. The project you linked only describes a selective finetuning approach.

They can probably prevent LLaMA from spitting out verbatim quotes from the books well enough to make proof difficult.

... But yeah, fundamentally the only way to throw out the books is to throw out the weights.

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#86
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like Meta can remove these books from the training set without retraining from scratch (or at least the last checkpoint before they were used). They probably can: https://github.com/zjunlp/EasyEdit > I wonder if this is going to cause issues down the road. There are some popular Stable Diffusion models, being run in small businesses, that I am certain have CSAM in them because they have a particular 4chan…

> They probably can: No, actually they probably can’t. There is no verifiable way to remove the data from the model apart from completely removing all instances of information from the training data. The project you linked only describes a selective finetuning approach.

It's an area of active research: https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/06/announcing-first-machine-u...

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#87
post #47

From the recent story about the Sarah Silverman lawsuit: The complaint lays out in steps why the plaintiffs believe the datasets have illicit origins — in a Meta paper detailing LLaMA, the company points to sources for its training datasets, one of which is called ThePile, which was assembled by a company called EleutherAI. ThePile, the complaint points out, was described in an EleutherAI paper as being put together…

Training and copyright is going to be interesting, people can be trained on “illegally obtained” books too yet you’ll probably going to be hard pressed to make an argument that any employee who downloaded a book or a paper from “libre library” could be used as fruit of the poisonous tree argument down the line.

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Move fast and break the law.

Copyright laws should be amended to allow this scenario. If I read a book and write about it in a blog, it is considered review. Why shouldn’t we allow companies to do the same to train their models? Overall it will benefit society more than it hurts some rich authors.

Couldn’t they just buy the ebook and call it a day? The rich people are the people training LLMs not the authors lol

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#89
post #47

From the recent story about the Sarah Silverman lawsuit: The complaint lays out in steps why the plaintiffs believe the datasets have illicit origins — in a Meta paper detailing LLaMA, the company points to sources for its training datasets, one of which is called ThePile, which was assembled by a company called EleutherAI. ThePile, the complaint points out, was described in an EleutherAI paper as being put together…

How is it different than training from random blogs, or stack overflow or in general "The Internet"?

Re: Meta to release open-source commercial AI model

#90
If you read past the title, this article is not at all clear if they are referring to a commercial offering (ie. license our model for $$) or an open-source license with commercial usage (Apache, etc.)

My guess is still the latter because that's what I've heard the rumors about, but this article is pretty unclear on this fact.

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