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Understanding Kafka with Factorio (2019)

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Re: Understanding Kafka with Factorio (2019)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dekhn wrote: post #73
defendBanana wrote: post #60

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With clouds this is not true anymore. They are exactly linear. If you ask for a smaller node they are simply propositioning a chunk of a larger machine anyway. There is a point where the exponential pricing starts, but that point is way out there than most people expect. Probably ~100CPU, ~1TB RAM, >50Gbps network etc.

They're linear... because they're charging you rates based on the cost of the large server, divided down into whatever server you provisioned. Amusingly, for $94K (probably more like $85K after negotiation) you can buy a white box server: Dual Epyc 9000, 96 core/192thread, 3.5GHz, w/ 3TB RAM, 240T of very fast SSD, and a 10G NIC. The minimum config, Dual Epyc 9124, 16core/32thread, 64GB RAM, and only 4TB of storage i…

> They're linear... because they're charging you rates based on the cost of the large server, divided down into whatever server you provisioned.

And the reason they do it that way is because it's cheaper. Because the scaling is sublinear up to a good size.

Re: Understanding Kafka with Factorio (2019)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

teawrecks wrote: post #71
marginalia_nu wrote: post #54

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The wikipedia article qualifies what it means with vertical scaling > typically involving the addition of CPUs, memory or storage to a single computer.

This is one of those times when I feel like you just didn't read anything I typed. So... I'm just gonna let you be confidently incorrect.

Or other people can disagree with your interpretation, especially because the analogy is somewhat strained and highly oversimplified.

Re: Understanding Kafka with Factorio (2019)

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Post by keithnz »

gjulianm wrote: post #46
haswell wrote: post #44

I recently started playing Factorio, and I kept thinking that this is what "low code" integration/automation tools should look like. Developer tooling with extremely clear visuals, obvious dataflow, endless combinations into which the rigidly defined components can be assembled to do exactly what they do. As opposed to so many takes on "flow based" programming, which present some imperfect nodal representation of the…

> And by the way, be sure you're ready to sink some time in if you're curious about this game...it's just too good, and I've had to consciously reduce the time I'm spending, because I could just keep optimizing...building...expanding...optimizing...it's built in the shape of the reward center of my brain. I feel the same. It scratches so many itches. I made the mistake of installing Space Exploration mod after the fi…

well, at least you didn't install sea block!

Re: Understanding Kafka with Factorio (2019)

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Post by swyx »

fardo wrote: post #78
swyx wrote: post #77

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any good explainers of whats fun about SE for those who will never play it?

It adds hundreds of hours of gameplay, new endings, multiple planets, and much longer progression chains that really push your ability to optimize to the limit. If the base game isn’t enough to keep you interested anymore because it’s gotten too simple, space exploration is a good hand grenade to mix things up.

man i wish i had some time to sink into factorio. it sounds so fun. wish i was 14 again.

Re: Understanding Kafka with Factorio (2019)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

BSEdlMMldESB wrote: post #4

what about understanding our own imperialistic civilization? crash in planet (or new continent?) and proceed to expand while decimating native life? in any case, good game.

The native life already has massive coverage and is expanding into the remaining space.

In a typical game the player doesn't decimate them, if anything they make the native life flourish.

Re: Understanding Kafka with Factorio (2019)

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Post by ineedasername »

cortesoft wrote: post #69
ineedasername wrote: post #62

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>it's built in the shape of the reward center of my brain Yes, it's like a distillation of the feeling I get from the most enjoyable parts of my job, risking productivity loss from real world responsibilities until the complexity rises high enough to require project organization and advanced planning of tasks that are the least enjoyable parts of my job, along the lines of: "Crap, I have a sudden urgent need to deal…

I wonder who the real world equivalent of biters are… sales?

Too many to list. This past week’s productivity was partially hijacked by a vendor relationship gone sour to the point of getting the lawyers involved.

And so if sales are biters, where do lawyers rank?

Re: Understanding Kafka with Factorio (2019)

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Post by bongobingo1 »

ineedasername wrote: post #87
cortesoft wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder who the real world equivalent of biters are… sales?

Too many to list. This past week’s productivity was partially hijacked by a vendor relationship gone sour to the point of getting the lawyers involved. And so if sales are biters, where do lawyers rank?

I think lawyers are getting added in the upcoming expansion pack.

Re: Understanding Kafka with Factorio (2019)

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Post by ooterness »

cubefox wrote: post #23

Semi related: Are other people also annoyed by how many projects are using names of completely unrelated famous things? I expected to read some wild association between a game and Franz Kafka, but no, it's about a streaming platform which happens to be named "Kafka". This is getting seriously annoying when you google for some, e.g. historical, term and then your search results are littered by some completely unrelate…

I've read a few of Franz Kafka's short stories, but most of them went over my head. As someone who loves Factorio, I was legitimately excited to get more insight.

Now: My disappointment is immeassurable and my day is ruined.

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