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Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by endisneigh »

px43 wrote: post #77
endisneigh wrote: post #72

I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. —— Anyway, It’s not clear which model they’re using for this. I assume whatever Bard is using, but who knows. This is relevant because depending on the intended experience the latency will matter. Overall it’s not a bad idea, but I do wonder what the mon…

Bard isn't a model, it's a product. Bard was launched with PaLM originally, the same model that the one employee claimed was sentient. At Google I/O they announced PaLM2 and switched over to Bard being backed by it, while also making Bard open to the general public on the same day. Google is currently in the process of training Gemini, which is positioned to be their GPT-4 killer, as it's multi-modal, and presumably…

Right - to clarify I meant the model used by bard. I was too lazy to see what bard currently uses since it’s transparent to the user, to your point. Multi modal models being used would be killer.

But the monetization thoughts remain, this stuff isn’t cheap.

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by d0gbread »

mbreese wrote: post #68
vogon_laureate wrote: post #52

This is amazing! I can't wait to post about this on Google Wave, Google Currents, Orkut, Jaiku, Google Friend Connect, and Google+, read all about it on Google Reader and Google FastFlip, chat about it with friends on Buzz, Duo, Google Talk, Hangouts, and also blog on my website made with Google Page Creator or Web Hosting on Google Drive or Google Sites. It's just so reassuring to know I can depend on the Google eco…

I get it. Google has a lot of killed/closed products. But that’s kind of their MO. They try a lot of things. Sometimes they work (Gmail was an experiment at one point), but they often don’t. Making fun of their killed products is a favorite HN past time, but what would you have them do? Just sit back and not try to make new things? Or keep zombie projects alive, but unmaintained just because a few of us find it reall…

They can adjust their culture so they promote employees for maximizing the value of existing products, finding product market fit, etc instead of building new projects only to move on from them.

They can gate the creation of new product and require more robust market and user research to ensure they're not releasing something that doesn't have a chance of hitting whatever their targets are, or would require more budget than willing to invest.

They don't just kill products, they often leave them painfully unfinished and unsupported. Support forums are complete ghost towns.

Did you know the "new" Apps Script editor doesn't have a version history or way to revert? Too bad, the old one was sunset. Google would tell you to pound sand, but there's no one there to listen.

One example in an absolute ocean of examples.

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by vogon_laureate »

endisneigh wrote: post #72

I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. —— Anyway, It’s not clear which model they’re using for this. I assume whatever Bard is using, but who knows. This is relevant because depending on the intended experience the latency will matter. Overall it’s not a bad idea, but I do wonder what the mon…

People are wary about Google product launches because of a well documented[1] pattern of corporate behaviour[2] when it comes to either the project's planning and execution, resourcing, or long-term support.

You don't have to agree with those comments, but they are legitimate concerns being expressed by people who have been burned enough times by the company that it has developed a degree[3] of notoriety[4] for it as a result.[5]

[1]: https://killedbygoogle.com/ [2]: https://gcemetery.co/ [3]: https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/26/20977968/google-graveyar... [4]: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-killing-new-products-e... [5]: https://arstechnica.com/series/google-kills-product/

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by thefourthchime »

pphysch wrote: post #69

Google Docs has been going strong for almost 2 decades, longer than the iPhone. NotebookLM is another way to read your Google Docs, with LLM assistance. If NotebookLM gets killed off, you still have your Google Docs and can read them with your eyeballs or some other LLM. HN loves to shit on Google for their loose trail-and-error approach to product releases, but Google Docs is evidently not one of those loose product…

I think everybody used to love Google. Around 2012, they were just making one hit after another. Google Docs, Google Maps, Gmail, they revolutionized search!

What have they done in the last 10 years? Jack shit, except, launch a bunch of things that might have been cool, but then just killed it.

How many messenger apps have they had? Google Stadia? I mean, come on, the list is incredible.

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by thefourthchime »

phillipcarter wrote: post #14
MetaverseClub wrote: post #5

A new prototype from Gogle for collecting user data and will be dumped anytime soon once it collects enough data or it fails.

Woof. Talk about a bad reputation exemplified. I can't imagine what it's like working on stuff like this at Google, earnestly just trying to make a great product people will want to use, only to have to fight decades of user-hostile product destruction that the company has done.

Only us big nerds on Hacker News actually pay attention to this or care.

Most people never even hear about this stuff. From what I understand, in the Google world, you release a product, you get a promotion. So, as cynical as it is, and everyone in Google knows, their product will get cancelled eventually.

Screw it, I got a promotion, I got some money. It's good for my career.

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Post by techsupporter »

endisneigh wrote: post #72

I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. —— Anyway, It’s not clear which model they’re using for this. I assume whatever Bard is using, but who knows. This is relevant because depending on the intended experience the latency will matter. Overall it’s not a bad idea, but I do wonder what the mon…

> I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not.

Me, upon reading something about this: "Oh, this sounds interesting, I would like to have a go at something nea--"

observes it is released by Google

"Well, never mind, I'm not going to invest the energy into it until it reaches its third birthday."

Google could simply stop taking a scythe to products at a rapid clip and shed their reputation if they want to benefit from not being slagged for it everytime they release something new.

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Post by panopticon »

techsupporter wrote: post #87
endisneigh wrote: post #72

I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. —— Anyway, It’s not clear which model they’re using for this. I assume whatever Bard is using, but who knows. This is relevant because depending on the intended experience the latency will matter. Overall it’s not a bad idea, but I do wonder what the mon…

> I wish the folks who clearly do not like Google would just not use their products instead of spamming every thread about how they will kill the product, true or not. Me, upon reading something about this: "Oh, this sounds interesting, I would like to have a go at something nea--" observes it is released by Google "Well, never mind, I'm not going to invest the energy into it until it reaches its third birthday." Goo…

> Well, never mind, I'm not going to invest the energy into it until it reaches its third birthday.

Even that's not a guarantee of anything. Google Domains made it to 9 years before getting the axe.

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by thefourthchime »

mbreese wrote: post #68
vogon_laureate wrote: post #52

This is amazing! I can't wait to post about this on Google Wave, Google Currents, Orkut, Jaiku, Google Friend Connect, and Google+, read all about it on Google Reader and Google FastFlip, chat about it with friends on Buzz, Duo, Google Talk, Hangouts, and also blog on my website made with Google Page Creator or Web Hosting on Google Drive or Google Sites. It's just so reassuring to know I can depend on the Google eco…

I get it. Google has a lot of killed/closed products. But that’s kind of their MO. They try a lot of things. Sometimes they work (Gmail was an experiment at one point), but they often don’t. Making fun of their killed products is a favorite HN past time, but what would you have them do? Just sit back and not try to make new things? Or keep zombie projects alive, but unmaintained just because a few of us find it reall…

Old Google was great. What have they done in the last 10 years? I feel like they just collected engineers like Pokemon and had them spin their wheels on things they would just kill the next year. This is a thing because it's real.

They make so much money on ads they just don't care.

Re: NotebookLM: An AI Notebook

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Post by vogon_laureate »

mbreese wrote: post #68
vogon_laureate wrote: post #52

This is amazing! I can't wait to post about this on Google Wave, Google Currents, Orkut, Jaiku, Google Friend Connect, and Google+, read all about it on Google Reader and Google FastFlip, chat about it with friends on Buzz, Duo, Google Talk, Hangouts, and also blog on my website made with Google Page Creator or Web Hosting on Google Drive or Google Sites. It's just so reassuring to know I can depend on the Google eco…

I get it. Google has a lot of killed/closed products. But that’s kind of their MO. They try a lot of things. Sometimes they work (Gmail was an experiment at one point), but they often don’t. Making fun of their killed products is a favorite HN past time, but what would you have them do? Just sit back and not try to make new things? Or keep zombie projects alive, but unmaintained just because a few of us find it reall…

> Google Reader was painful to lose at the time. But how many RSS feeds do you now follow?

I've been a happy Feedly[1] user for many years since that dark day, and appear to be currently pulling nearly 70 feeds.

[1]: https://feedly.com

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