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Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by wtallis »

bell-cot wrote: post #4

Ah, classic Intel. Randomly start making/selling X with great fanfare, maybe do that pretty well for a while, then quietly abandon X later. For any X != "x86 CPU's".

Intel also developed a track record of only being able to do a good job on one x86 design at a time. Doing Pentium M and Pentium 4 at the same time didn't work out so well, and neither did Core and Atom. And then for a several years the number actually dropped to zero as they had to keep recycling their existing designs and couldn't get a successful post-Skylake architecture out the door. Now that they're shipping both Core and Atom lineages on the same silicon, they might do a bit better at not leaving one to fall into irrelevance.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by petercooper »

I've always been a fan and have owned a few, but this market is being absolutely flooded with options right now, so I'm not surprised. ETA PRIME is a good YouTube account to follow if you're interested in such things as he seems to review a different mini PC each week (in between all the handheld PCs and SBCs).

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by apawloski »

That’s a shame. After building a few of my own computers/servers with used parts over the years, I switched to buying used NUCs for my last two projects (computer in my shed/workshop for basic CAD, and a quicksync plex transcoding box). I’ve found them more meaningfully powerful than a raspberry pi but much smaller than a large computer. I was hoping with ARM advancements that we’d see some super low power NUCs in the future.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by xnx »

antisthenes wrote: post #57
xnx wrote: post #56

I want to like these, but they hit the opposite of a sweet spot (sour spot? sore spot?): More expensive than a laptop (which also have a screen, keyboard, touchpad, speakers, etc.) and much larger than a dongle. The true "next unit of computing" now would be something like a Chromebox the size of a Chromecast.

The dongle is not a sweet spot for anything but low power embedded IOT stuff. Modern desktop computing takes at least 25-35W of consistent power, and there's absolutely NO way to fit that power envelope in a dongle factor, unless you surround it with a block of solid copper. > The true "next unit of computing" now would be something like a Chromebox the size of a Chromecast. meh.

Good point. I guess it's more likely that a mobile phone "desktop mode" will displays some of what NUC's were used for: https://www.androidauthority.com/pixel-8-leak-usb-displaypor...

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

bamfly wrote: post #34

I always wanted to like these, but they seemed consistently overpriced by like 30%. I'd price one out with all the necessary parts, and by the end it was always like, why am I not just buying a mac mini (or an RPi, for lower-intensity applications)?

For at least 12 years, and probably even more I built low-powered HTPC with NUCs and Acasa cases.

dn2820fykh was great.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by ortusdux »

user_7832 wrote: post #73
ortusdux wrote: post #25

This could be good news for Framework. For me, the ability to upgrade a laptop's main board and then use the old one like a NUC is a big selling point. As their userbase grows it will be easer to pickup used boards for cheap.

If you have space, sure. But if I'm not mistaken, NUCs are 4"x4". For some folks (like me) that's unfortunately a bummer.

The stock framework case is 36 in³ vs. a NUC's 31.4 in³, so it is about 15% larger.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by inversetelecine »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #23

They only targeted enthusiasts but there's incredible competition above and below. Down market, there are way cheaper 1L business PCs which are mass produced for businesses but work great for consumers wanting small quiet (or not, 65w options also available) systems. Up market, there's all manner of small form factor gaming PCs and others. Intel did have a knack for having interesting twists & innovations, but they r…

I buy 2-4 year old Dell (or similar) micro desktops just for this reason. Just enough upgradability (SSD/RAM, sometimes even CPU) and just enough power but runs cool and quiet.

Recently bought a lot of 10 Dell Optiplex Micros for around $1,200 USD all ready to go (9th gen / 16GB DDR4 / 512GB SSD, Win10 Pro) for a small business that works on spreadsheets and basic data entry all day. Replaced old desktop towers and employees were happy to have more free desk/working space.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by inversetelecine »

milsorgen wrote: post #19
hooverd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same story. I looked at a NUC as a possible SFF PC, balked at the price, and ended up buying a Lenovo M93p Tiny off a guy on Craigslist for a lot less.

I fell in love with Lenovo and HP SFF/'tiny pcs' a couple years ago. It can be tricky to find ample display outs in a preferred hardware configuration but otherwise they've been cheap, quiet, reliable and efficient. I realized as much as I like the tech and even idea of gaming, I don't game much anymore at all so without the need for a proper GPU these things have really simplified computing in my life to the point I…

Not to mention you can buy off-lease ones usually for $200-$300 USD that will do most everything except mid&high end gaming or complex 3D CAD.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by adrian_b »

DesiLurker wrote: post #63
stevezsa8 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the beelink? I'm really tempted by the price and what you get. But I've never bought anything that wasn't a well known brand like Dell.

the one I have for my daughter is okay. gets the job done but wont use for gaming etc. I do however want to get the Beelink GTR7 [1]. that seems amply powered and decent build quality/noise level. 1. https://www.bee-link.com/beelink-gaming-pc-gtr6900hx-1994384...

Based on specifications, GTR7 and GTR7 Pro are the best computers with a volume less than 1 L.

The only worries are the quality of the cooling and the noise.

According to this review:

https://www.servethehome.com/beelink-gtr7-changes-the-mini-p...

it seems that from the point of view of the cooling and noise they are significantly improved over earlier Beelink models, so any of the two variants seems like a good choice.

An alternative is Minisforum UM790, which is configured for a lower CPU power and which has slightly less peripheral interfaces.

Re: Intel exiting the PC business as it stops investment in the Intel NUC

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Post by bamfly »

stemlord wrote: post #42
bamfly wrote: post #34

I always wanted to like these, but they seemed consistently overpriced by like 30%. I'd price one out with all the necessary parts, and by the end it was always like, why am I not just buying a mac mini (or an RPi, for lower-intensity applications)?

I would say there's a huge performance gap between the most powerful Pi and even a Nuc mini from 6 years ago. Hard to consider them in the same ballpark, use-case-wise.

The NUCs had a pretty wide range of processor options, and often fairly-old ones with low core counts from lower-end processor lines were still for sale—but never at what felt like the correct price to me, especially since they usually needed memory and a disk (the ones that came with those seemed like an even worse deal)
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