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Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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> Dirk-Peter van Leeuwen, CEO of SUSE, said, According to LinkedIn Dirk-Peter started at Suse 3 months ago as CEO and worked for Red Hat for 18 years and was a Senior VP at Red Hat. I think this move of Suse could be a credible threat to IBM / Red Hat's RHEL.

Either that, or it could be the beginning of a very long and pointless lawsuit.

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

#82
post #7

I wonder how this will affect openSUSE, will they announce a new product based on this RHEL fork from SUSE?

Would a migration path be feasible, the fork getting some "stuff people coming from openSUSE would need" added/ported? Then it might effectively be as much a merge as a fork. Of course if that did happen, I'd expect the "people" in "stuff people need" to be specifically the subset who happen to be paying customers. Not sure if there are many users left outside that subset?

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our contract with the Air Force required that we document guarantees from every parts vendor for the servers we built for them that they would keep making those parts for at least a decade. They also demanded RHEL exclusively. It's a great example of how extreme stability is more important than any other question in a lot of business decisions.

The way my engineering professor put it was so: when even 5 minutes of off-time costs $5,000 of product you want to be sure your systems are stable.

$5,000 is pocket change. When it comes to the Air Force, 5 minutes of downtime at the wrong time could cost you a country, or perhaps even a planet.

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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I'm continually baffled that so many companies follow RHEL compatibility to this day. I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years. Admining as a profession for at least a quarter of that. 20 years ago, it made a ton of sense. Today, less so. The 'stable version but we backport patches' mantra doesn't make any sense today. I can't even describe how many things that have broken that you can't even find an answer for beca…

I wrote this a few months ago explaining why Red Hat makes money:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35588297

(Still amazed that no one understands these basic points)

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Nobody ever got fired for buying CentOS". Till recently. In terms of actual , material benefits I believe it's simply because transitive "certifications" (hardware, support, continuity, ...) that are implied by Red Hat's corporate presence.

To add to this from personal experience; we sell proprietary software that runs on multiple platforms. Our market is broadcasters, CDNs, telcos, media companies. We target Ubuntu and Alpine, but also ship CentOS/Rocky/RHEL/Oracle/Alma and Windows. Even though customers rarely ask for the latter targets, we need to offer those simply because we wouldn't be taken seriously if this major market segment were absent on ou…

I’m surprised (and happy) to hear that you target alpine. Is it really in use in those market segments?

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

#86
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So sick of CPUs in Linux distros, the feature creep is insane!

And it's all a ploy by Big Silicon to subjugate software. As if software needs a CPU to run!

Everyone should be free to download a copy of the source code, and interpret it in their own heads.

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Clever idea. They will gradually lure users their way.

For some reason SUSE hasn't received a lot of attention even though they have been waving their flag long before the Red-Hat — CentOS brouhaha.

Back in the old RH Linux days, I remember SUSE had as much market share as Red Hat. It was actually the distro that people suggested I should use because it was more polished.

But SUSE was bought and sold a few times to shady companies, wasn't it? My memory is blurry but this might explain why people don't immediately think of it.

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Could Alma, Rocky, SUSE and Oracle team up, coordinate with each other, pool their resources? (The announcement mentions Rocky and SUSE working together, but not Alma or Oracle.) I wonder how IBM / RedHat might react to that, were it to happen.

Oracle and almalinux would probably base on Stream with their own patches. The maintenance burden will be much smaller than a full fork, as red hat will still be the main contributor.

But if you base on Stream, you are no longer bug-for-bug compatible with the current stable release of RHEL.

Not that I care personally, but this point seems to be very important for a lot of people.

Re: SUSE is forking RHEL

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Did SUSE coordinate this announcement With Oracle? Because they also announced similar thing yesterday https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/keep-linux-ope...

Oracle talking about "open and free". Didn't think I would live to see that happening...
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