We’ve come a ways from https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592569305941807104 , huh?
If I were one of those callously fired by Musk at Twitter and insulted, I'd be so motivated to help anyone outcompete them.
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#82The amount of "Twitter has no intellectual property I could build it in my bedroom" gaslighting going on in this discussion is unbelievable. Buried the needle.
At scale? Not in a few weeks, and not with all the features, but the core features don't seem like a stretch for a small team, without scale in a couple months. Meta/Instagram luckily already have a large scale social network, tons of money, and tons of engineers and a codebase that deals in users and text and images already, so it's a pretty good head start.
Twitter's search works pretty well at scale; you can search for detailed Tweet content fairly accurately. That doesn't happen overnight.
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#83Despite this bone-headed move by Twitter, my question is: does this pose anti-trust problems for Meta? Meta having a monopoly on all forms of social media does seem pretty bad to me. I guess “monopoly” has a specific definition, but by having Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, and the new Twitter, one company will control the majority of normal peoples’ communication online.
Not in the US, which has long abandoned the pretense of antitrust enforcement, but this is exactly why they haven't launched threads in the EU.
That's not true. It was not launched in the EU because of privacy laws / data sharing between Instagram and the new product, etc.
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#84And here we are today because of MySpace. Good ole' Tom. MySpace concreted Web 2.0. Facebook came a year later. MySpace sold, Facebook continues. Twitter and here we are today. Nothing has changed in the grand scheme of things, well apart from your privacy and your data being sold as a commodity.
You forgot about Friendster (2002), it came before MySpace (2003), had great momentum, failed to scale (slow as hell), turned down $30M from Google, and then fizzled out. It had most of the features of Facebook, but a number of years before Facebook was available to the general public.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
At scale? Not in a few weeks, and not with all the features, but the core features don't seem like a stretch for a small team, without scale in a couple months. Meta/Instagram luckily already have a large scale social network, tons of money, and tons of engineers and a codebase that deals in users and text and images already, so it's a pretty good head start.
Twitter's search works pretty well at scale; you can search for detailed Tweet content fairly accurately. That doesn't happen overnight.
How important is refined search to a social network with no legacy content to search through? Surely that's something they can put off for N months and just accept whatever caption and relevancy limitations Instagram search imposes?
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None. There is no trade secret in building something like Twitter. Anyone on this site can probably make a clone of it. The real secrets are the massive money needed to promote the network and to pay for the infrastructure, the massive social reach to attract top posters, the massive networking effect needed to make it a must-have app. Meta already have all of those.
I’m very confident that not everyone on this site could make it work at such a massive scale
I'm not very confident, I'm 100% certain that there is at least one person on this site (me) who could not make it work on such a scale.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Twitter's search works pretty well at scale; you can search for detailed Tweet content fairly accurately. That doesn't happen overnight.
How important is refined search to a social network with no legacy content to search through? Surely that's something they can put off for N months and just accept whatever caption and relevancy limitations Instagram search imposes?
Functioning search for a Twitter clone is absolutely essential.
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#88Despite this bone-headed move by Twitter, my question is: does this pose anti-trust problems for Meta? Meta having a monopoly on all forms of social media does seem pretty bad to me. I guess “monopoly” has a specific definition, but by having Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, and the new Twitter, one company will control the majority of normal peoples’ communication online.
No more than usual...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Trade_Commission_v._Me....
There is an outstanding FTC lawsuit against FB (No I'm not going to call them Meta) which would undo the Instagram and What's App acquisitions. If that were to be successful (it was dismissed once) I suppose Instagram+Threads would be a separate company.
BUT ... the FTC recently lost a case that would have blocked FB from acquiring a VR company (Within) because "Meta could have chosen to try to compete. Instead, it chose to buy". That is, not building their own VR fitness division is anti-competitive. FTC chair Lisa Khan has a raging hard-on for Zuck but it would be hilarious if they also try to block FB for being competitive.
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#89>Spiro accused Meta of hiring dozens of former Twitter employees who “had and continue to have access to Twitter’s trade secrets and other highly confidential information.” So you fire 80% of your workforce claiming they're dead weight and completely unnecessary, while simultaneously suing their new employer because apparently they were vital cogs who somehow "continue to have access to trade secrets"? So vital you'r…
> ....former Twitter employees....continue to have access to Twitter’s trade secrets. I don't think I've ever seen anyone admit to major organizational failings like that. I haven't worked for a company in at least 15 years where every single bit of access I had wasn't revoked within minutes. When I last changed jobs in 2021 I watched the Outlook app on my phone. My boss walked me out of the building at 1:00pm, took…
I believe that's a reference to IP, not actual physical systems.
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You mentioned Musk "undoing anything she'd already accomplished. What has she accomplished?
She's been talking to advertisers, trying to convince them that Twitter is a good, stable place to work with and they can resume/expand their ad buys. I don't know that she's achieved anything specifically, but I do know that if she has, it's dead now. Musk hired her to help improve revenue, and then basically made it impossible for her to ever achieve that goal.
Yup. Her strategy was reported last week: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/linda-yaccarinos...