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Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by jliptzin »

theonlybutlet wrote: post #63
purpleblue wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who was a life-long liberal, but worked their ass off to become a 1%er, I 100% believe that the Democrats are using people like me as scapegoats and it makes me furious. I worked and studied when my classmates or coworkers were partying, made good choices, and now I enjoy a nice life because of it. But now all of a sudden, because I make over $400,000 I "don't pay my fair share of taxes", according to Eliz…

I don't know you so can't comment on your position. The fact of the matter is you studied hard and did something your peers did not and as such,and assuming we're going to need people with your learned skills and knowledge, you will get paid a premium as a reward. The question is how much of a reward, it's acceptable until the point it becomes exploitative. In this day and age a lot of that high compensation going ar…

That's all besides the point. It sounds like he is making < $1 million / yr which might technically put him in the top 1%, but his wealth is still far from the point of being a target for wealth taxes that some on the left have proposed. He is still in the same boat as the rest of the middle/upper-middle class families in this country but has somehow been convinced that he's in the same boat as billionaire heirs/hedge fund managers/CEOs. Which makes sense if you don't actually know any of those people, some people's level of wealth is just hard to wrap your head around.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by myshpa »

tomxor wrote: post #71
cptcobalt wrote: post #8

It's high time for a big awareness campaign for things like this: cleaning up our water should be an immediately funded government project. Needs a interactive map with historical data, sort of like https://app.electricitymaps.com/map does for historic grid energy cleanliness. Surely, clean water—something we all need—should be an apolitical bipartisan issue, right? ...right?

Cleaning up? With what? We've barely figured out how to even detect a tiny portion of PFAS, and even then can't quantify it, we don't have any way of removing PFAS specifically, the best general purpose technology we have is reverse osmosis which is not economical. If it's in the ground water it will be in the drinking water. What we need to do (as in the human race because this stuff just propagates around the globe…

What we need to do is to prevent such occurrences from happening by enforcing regulations that require companies to demonstrate the safety of their products before manufacturing them for extended periods, instead of concealing data and facing minimal consequences.

Re: Nearly half of the tap water in the US is contaminated with ‘forever chemicals,’

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Post by zmgsabst »

tombert wrote: post #78
zmgsabst wrote: post #74

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> when I very decidedly (and purposefully) didn't say that I think perhaps the reason you had that thought of writing it explicitly was because it was the mentality behind your entire comment. Ie, it was what you wanted to write; but you knew that was wrong, so you made a bad faith personal attack instead. (The one I called out.) But the purpose of that bad faith reply is to shame them into sitting down and shutting…

I really think that you're prescribing stuff to me based on stereotypes you have in regards to other lefties. That's fair enough, I do that sometimes as well, but I really just think you're wrong. I do not agree with the statement "sit down and shut up" in really any regard.

Then as I originally said, perhaps you should consider the motivations behind your original reply — for the reasons I articulated.

If you don’t think you support institutional Asian hate by voting for Democrats, why would you make the accusations you did?

What is the motivation?

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Post by justrealist »

ekleraki wrote: post #79
kelipso wrote: post #43

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Fluoride lowering IQ is not a conspiracy theory, it's a proven fact. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-020-0973-8

From the ąrticle [1] references [2]: > fluoride intake levels (0.93 [0.43] vs 0.30 [0.26] mg of fluoride per day; P = .001). > Children had mean (SD) Full Scale IQ scores of 107.16 (13.26), range 52-143, with girls showing significantly higher mean (SD) scores than boys: 109.56 (11.96) vs 104.61 (14.09); P = .001. The average IQ of people in the UK is 99.12 and in Canada 99.52 [3]. Let us suppose that the hypothesis…

> it is expected then that in a country with higher average consumption of fluoride

There are an unbelievable number of confounders here. Rich countries add fluoride to their water!

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Post by pierat »

ackfoobar wrote: post #49
pierat wrote: post #23

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Given that in Article 1 Section 8 is the following: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" highlight: "provide for the common Defense and general Welfare" Seems to strongly indicate that clean wa…

Looking at the thread I don't think he objects to government ensuring clean water, but Democrats' taxing policies.

Perhaps, but arguing who's political sportsball team is better is a losing strategy in a discussion, no matter who plays. I prefer to go back to the primary topic and discuss from there. It more often than not provides a different path forward, rather than devolving into talking past each other.

And they do have a good point to re-scope government appropriately. And frankly, I believe this clause calls for single payer medical, amongst other things. In some ways, the framers of the constitution did a damned good job in the forward language they chose. Other areas, no so much.

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Post by dankezus »

thebsindamurica wrote: post #56

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Research and Development should really have a hierarchy when it comes to issues that most people on the globe would consider essential. All the money that is going into tech/new gadjets I am sure some of it would have been useful and would have driven the quest to find a solution to clean up pfas and others.

That whole mentality of fix it when the issue is high up enough in the public eye is really one of the things that is wrong with our society.

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Post by tomxor »

myshpa wrote: post #82
tomxor wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cleaning up? With what? We've barely figured out how to even detect a tiny portion of PFAS, and even then can't quantify it, we don't have any way of removing PFAS specifically, the best general purpose technology we have is reverse osmosis which is not economical. If it's in the ground water it will be in the drinking water. What we need to do (as in the human race because this stuff just propagates around the globe…

What we need to do is to prevent such occurrences from happening by enforcing regulations that require companies to demonstrate the safety of their products before manufacturing them for extended periods, instead of concealing data and facing minimal consequences.

> concealing data and facing minimal consequences.

Yes, the delay in punishment is a huge problem. 3M is facing fines easily pushing them into bankruptcy... so even when the punishment is severe enough, it's too late, huge damage has already been done.

The problem is that even this is not a disincentive, whether or not they know it, executives use these artificial constructs "companies" as vehicles to extract money, the smart ones play hot potato to prevent personal liability once they see what's ahead, instead of blow the whistle - it's immoral, I don't know how to fix it. Perhaps the only way is education, even MBAs need to be made to appreciate the value of environment and the potential ecological and biological consequences of their negligence - I think most of them probably down play it even in their own mind, as a kind of "gotta break some eggs to make an omlet" mentality, that there is always an environmental cost, but lacking the historical knowledge and imagination of how such costs can vary qualitatively and quantitatively with orders of magnitude in separation.

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

kelipso wrote: post #43
robbywashere_ wrote: post #12

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Ironically there seems to be no shortage of fluoride conspiracy theories or “waters turning the frogs gay” but actual chemicals and toxins … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Fluoride lowering IQ is not a conspiracy theory, it's a proven fact. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-020-0973-8

I want to understand dose-dependency on the relationship between fluoride and IQ. Why do we have to put fluoride in the drinking water to "protect kids' teeth"? Wouldn't it be better to simply provide toothpaste and toothbrushes for free to school-age children?
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