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France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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in the US yes, at least from what I have heard but not all countries have as absurd little police accountability and oversight as the US

France does, though.

The police violence is not as normalized - see riots because they executed a minority race teenager for no reason, something that would be seen as pretty normal in US - but the culture is definitely as messed up.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #54

Can we get the European Union to mandate physical toggles and shutters for mic and camera, now that they're also pushing for user-replaceable batteries?

It's going to be hard as long as the european MEPs own phones have no such shutters...

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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If cops are practically mandatory in a state, how is that statement meaningful? Why not just say state equals violence? Or are you saying humans don't need to control each other? If they do, how does it make a diffrence under which label the oppression is practiced?

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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what tech does this even use? Do they mean using Pegasus or similar malware that the govt has to first get onto the suspect's devices, or is this via Google/Apple or the device manufacturers that makes 'remotely and secretly activating a microphone' even possible?

> The bill allows the geolocation of crime suspects, covering other devices like laptops, cars and connected devices, just as it could be remotely activated to record sound and images of people suspected of terror offences, as well as delinquency and organised crime. Not just phones looks like.

> cars

For the very strange who accept driving the new "smartphones with wheels".

Including, note, the cars with the embedded telephone as mandated by the european union past 2018 - the e-call systems. Some articles went "there could be privacy issues, but it is a remote eventuality": now you see that someone could push as normal an eavesdropper in your car.

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> #ACAB At least for me, this comment loses its thrust with this hashtag. It takes a potent observation and adds unnecessary partisanship. It's also connected with the mother of all blowback slogans: defund the police.

It’s not partisan to dislike police, it’s just misappropriating anger with the system onto a single component of the system. It’s incredibly myopic and counter productive to defund police in places where they depend on police for their safety. Missing the forest for the trees.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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That sounds very reasonable, similar to installing a bugging device in the house of a suspect, to gather more evidence. The neat thing about mobile phones is that such a bugging capability comes built-in. The police should certainly be allowed to use this in the course of investigative duties.

Yes, it sounds reasonable. It also sounds reasonable to allow police to enter anyone's home at any time - consider all the crime they might prevent if only they didn't have to wait for a warrant! It sounds reasonable to let the police shoot a fleeing suspect, because why are they running if they aren't guilty? It sounds reasonable to let the police look through any computer - how much CP is missed because they have to wait for a warrant?

Lots of things sound reasonable which are not. One must consider the downside, particularly the downside of abuse of power.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying all cops are anything is exactly the same thing as saying all blacks are thieves, all Jews are greedy, or any of the other blanket statements that can never apply to any large group of people. It’s disgusting.

No it’s not the same. One of them is an institution conceived through organisation of people, laws, traditions and customs, the existence and membership of which is a choice. The other categories are associations made by accident of birth. I don’t have a horse in the race but it is important to understand that those situations are not the same. When people say stuff like ACAB they are free to criticise the existence…

Only the one about blacks, no? Jew blanket statements that don't involve memes about noses attack the religion which is a membership to an organisation of people with traditions, laws and customs.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #49

I regret getting a pixel, and not a fairphone with a removable battery With the current level of oversight on the police (police of police is a meme by now), and the level of cybersecurity at the government, everyone's phones will be activated within a few months. At least some government agent will have fun watching what ppl visit on the internet during their spare time, and can enable the camera to watch what they'…

There's always the faraday bag or simply not taking it to your meeting/activity that have been the recommended options for opsec even when phones had removable batteries.

Faraday bags are not effective against all frequencies. Specifically the 5G frequencies are known to be very difficult to block with a cage ( but do have relatively short ranges)

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The backdoor is already there as zero day exploits.

One can only hope that not also part of the design since day zero.

It's sad, but the quality of baseband software is bad enough that these bugs may as well be explicit backdoors.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #59

From an opsec standpoint, would leaving the phone in airplane mode and turning off location services effectively block access to the phone? From my understanding airplane mode disables the sim, wifi, gps, and bluetooth entirely, but it's possible to re-enable wifi, gps, and bluetooth. It's something I got into the habit of doing because my phone searching for 4g cellular data ate into my battery.

For the camera your best bet is to just put a physical cover. There are a lot of sliding adhesive ones you can buy online that are convenient. I stick them on laptops as well, especially work-issued laptops.

For the microphone ... ideally build and install LineageOS yourself on an Android device. Don't trust iOS or Google's official Android builds, they have closed source software that may have France-specific backdoors.

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